So you've kind of come full circle because you've gone from being a Drag Race fan to designing outfits for the likes of Tia Coffey, Drag Race winner.

Danny Beard, Drag Race winner.

Girl, the gag! It's crazy, it's crazy, yeah.

I feel very, very honoured to have made stuff for both of them.

Both have been really, really fun to collaborate with and...

Yeah, it's been quite a surreal moment.

As I said, the season that I watched when I was really like, this is actually what I want to spend my time doing now was Tia Kofi's season.

exciting exciting

Yeah.

I, I got a wonderful relationship from the show from it that unfortunately, like, hasn't, isn't going on anymore.

But I was really, really grateful for it while it was happening.

And on, in terms of the kind of response to it or, you know, how, how kind of we were seen as a relationship, I...

For me, it wasn't a deal at all, and I think that's why we worked.

In a way, it could have maybe been interesting to have a kind of storyline where I was like, "Wow, like, this is so crazy that I'm dating a trans guy." But, like, it genuinely wasn't really part of my decision-making.

Like, my queer community had been, like, queer people with trans people and stuff like that before going on the show.

Um, I think, okay, finally, [laughs] advice you would give your younger self.

watch my content

no i can come across as um as a little bit impersonable if you just see me and my looks and what i'm wearing and i think that it's important to share that you know you're a real person i'm a real person behind this and there's a reason that i i like the things that i'm doing um Yeah, for example, in my most, in a reel I just posted was about me doing Elphaba makeup, but, like, making, like, an Elphaboy version of it and talking about how it's really, really cool to have someone like Cynthia Erivo and Elphaba as, like, a mainstream person in media right now because...

She's so known for being green and looking different.

And kind of subverting what it is to be beautiful.

Obviously she's playing a character, but for me, the story that I shared in that was that I, when I was a kid and grew up in Norway, I used to play football with these boys.

that lived near my house but I also used to love playing dress up and one morning I was playing dress up and then I got my nails painted and then I took it all off and then went to play football with them and they wouldn't let me play football with them because I had my nails painted and having having someone to look up to like Cynthia Riva for example in Wicked at that time would have been really really great because she was doing things and subverting things.

I'm going to be

I love them.