Roy Welland

So he played that with Joanne.

What I played with Gumpers was closer to what Roy Welland and Sabine play.

What Danny played with Joanne was almost a carbon copy of what Martel and Fleischer play.

And the way that Gumpers and I started, we started with a lot of those approaches.

You know, Bob Bishop, loan $1 million.

Roy Welland, loan $1 million.

Now, Roy Welland owned Crew Restaurant, which is where they had these auctions.

Robert Gore, Roy Welland's partner, would then buy tons of wine at the auction at the 30% markup.

Why not just buy a million dollars worth of wine directly from Rudy? Why give him a loan through an auction house? Isn't that weird?

Yeah.