Ross Garnaut

The answer is yes.

Ross Garnaut, who's a friend of mine and a very well-known economist in Australia, he didn't coin the phrase, but he used the phrase quite often in the 80s and 90s.

He said, it's a boiling frog.

If you put a frog into a pot of cold water, put it on the stove and you put the heat on, the frog won't realize that it's gradually getting hotter and he'll boil to death.

So I talked to lots of the people who've been, uh, working on the, on, on the batteries and the solar.

The minister, Chris Bowen, um, the CEO of ARENA, which is the agency that's been funding a lot of the early stage work on it and so on, as well as, uh, Professor Ross Garnaut, who's the, the, the brains behind this superpower thesis.

And I'll be quite honest, that was one where I'm not entirely convinced 'cause the, they wanna be a superpower and do green hydrogen and green ammonia and green steel and green this and that.

I, I'm not sure they're gonna get there.