Ronald Reng

That Germany really were stuck.

And I remember very vividly my, uh, good friend and colleague Ronald Reng either writing before or after the game that this is a young, exciting England team, and he very much contrasted that with the sort of static, we- we can grind out results, but we have to live on our pragmatism kind of Rudi Völler football that was, that was happening at the time.

Völler was still in the ascendancy then 'cause he'd taken over after the Euros, and there was this feelgood factor for him.

Mm.

And so confident were the German Football Association, the DFB-

Mm

... that they'd actually already arranged friendlies around the dates of the playoff-

Yeah, which-