Ronald D. Siegel

Well, h- how, yeah, how, Robert? I, I just, I'm just, it sounds, it sounds fascinating.

I just, the mechanics of it, can you explain it to me? Imagine, imagine someone calls to my door, and they say y- your young fella does, after running up a massive drug debt.

Now, my young fella's 12, so I'd have a lot of questions for him, but anyway, [laughs] uh, let's, let's say it happens, and, and you were that person who's involved in this project, and I reach out to you-

Mm-hmm

... and I say, "I, you're this me- you're credible messenger." That's how you described it.

Yeah

... "this stuff." And there was, there, there's an element of truth to that.

So there's a fella, Ronald Siegel.

A lot more self-compassion.

So Dr. Ron Siegel is somebody who's been on here a couple of times and has been a co-teacher with us at LMI.

And then he talks a lot about self-compassion and cites Dr. Kristen Neff and her colleagues and their work.

So having compassion for yourself.