Mm-hmm.

Uh, [laughs] there was a silent partner in the record company at Del-Fi in which he was signed to, and this fella was named Larry Nunes, spelled N-U-N-E-S.

But, uh, Nunes was a record rack jobber, which meant, uh, those were the people that literally set up racks of records in record stores and department stores.

And Nunes was not necessarily a full-fledged mobster himself, but when you were in that business, you could not help but- Associate with people in the mob because the mob discovered early on that selling records, whether it be through jukebox plays in the '30s and the '40s, or selling vinyl records in the '50s and the '60s, uh, it was a great way to launder money.

It was a great way to make money and not have to pay people because you had the mob behind you.

Mm.

Uh, the day that he died, as we talked about earlier, Bobby had been pressured by a lot of people, most of them related to the mob, and on the night that it, on the night of July 18th, 1966, in the early morning hours, he got a phone call that drew him out of his apartment.

So he left, and he was never seen again.

How did that opportunity come about?

It was in 1995 and Scott Ollerenshaw, who was a player in Sabah, rang me.

He said, Ronnie, is there any chance you could come and spend a couple of months in Malaysia and sort our team out? And I said, what do you mean? He said, well, we're right down the bottom of the league and if we don't get in the top 10, we don't play in the Malaysia Cup and it's a financial disaster for the club.

And it's a logistical nightmare for the players because you've got seven months without playing football.

And he said, this was just after 53 players were banned for life for match fixing in Malaysia.

Every club was affected.

And so they had to bring in all their under 23 players, right? And they were playing.

Where did that interest actually come from? Was it just when you got injured and you done the training for the coaching? No, actually,

yeah

uh and the body kind of lets you down and i look back now on my youth in sort of early adult years and i was i had two knee surgeries before i was 19 and you know and and sports medicine was nothing it was almost well it didn't exist you know you just went to see a local doctor there was no such thing as going to see a physio and so your recoveries and all that were really at hazard um so that was my um sort of youth age bracket um But I carried on playing despite it because I refused to not play.

I couldn't give up.

Yeah.

You know, it was sort of part of my life, a big part of my life.

The biggest thing that affected me actually going into coaching was while I was studying to be a PE teacher, we had to do coaching courses for all sports.

And I did the FA prelim at the time.

We're not going to persecute you for it, but try to learn from your mistakes.

And while I just gave an introduction of you, I would love for you to tell everybody in the audience what makes you, you.

Well, what's unique about my travels is that I've had the opportunity to live out my life mission, and I'm doing that right now, and it's a lot of fun to do.

I was raised with the mantra of others before self.

Coming from five generations of teachers going back both directions in my family, it's neat to be able to now have the opportunity to live that out.

My parents as teachers would do many things for the students that were in their classrooms, not to teach them.

They did that very well, but also to help those families in times of need.

So the number of times that I would see my mother before she would grade papers in the afternoon, if she knew of a child in her classroom that couldn't see the chalkboard because they needed a pair of glasses, she would call every optometrist in town to see who would donate them.

Is that what that's all about?

So when governments announce this, Ron, large multi-year defense commitments, how seriously should markets take those numbers? Are they realistic fiscal projections or simply opening positions?

Uh, it depends how close you are to Russia and China.

So the UK has made various statements about going to three and a half percent and five percent, but it's not actually published the defense investment plan, which would have costed those things.

So that in the UK case, it's much more words rather than clear plans.

For other countries, Poland going up to five percent of GDP, the Baltic countries, Japan increasing quite substantially.

So for a number of other countries, there are real increases, and the NATO countries have committed to these high targets of five percent, of which three and a half percent would be real defense spending and one and a half percent would be related.

The traditional economic orthodoxy has been that for wars you borrow, because for tax smoothing, it's better to borrow for short-term things.

... are they looking at this as a temporary fiscal adjustment, all these announcements? Or are they saying, "Hang on, guys, this looks like a structural shift that is happening across all sovereigns"? So I was just trying to get a flavor of that.

Ugh, jeez.

One of the most icky parts of this, I told you earlier, when this story happened in 1964, I was a kid.

I didn't really understand what the, the, what they were talking about on the news accounts when they talked about incest between this, this couple.

But, uh, she was very open about it, much as she had been with the Chuck Berry story and other things.

They were going out to restaurants and clubs together.

They took vacations together.

She was in the society columns all the time, and it was often mentioning Mel as her escort.

Hmm.