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Uh, she encouraged me, and so I went looking for a co-editor, 'cause I knew nothing about editing.

So, so I, I talked to several people.

Finally ended up calling, uh, Rebecca Merrill Groothuis, Becky Groothuis, whose books I had read and appreciated so much.

So I ended up calling her.

She was in Denver.

Uh, Becky suffered from some health issues, so she wasn't able to travel easily.

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