Ron Lieber

And I'd say Whitman's been on the front lines of transparency when it comes to money for a while.

I mean, you know, Ron Lieber featured you back in his book because you were doing full tax return reviews, not even for someone who was even an applicant.

Like, people could reach out and, and, and you would take them through that system and, and that's been commendable.

But now you've got...

Now you're going to the next level, and they've got a plan that I'm very excited about because I think it combines three things that people like a lot, which is transparency, affordability, and simplicity.

And we know this financial process can be so opaque and so confusing.

And so I wanted Adam to come on here and talk about it, and it's interesting 'cause he was just featured in a major article in The New York Times that Ron Lieber did, and Christina was the other admissions professional that was quoted in there.

So I said, "Christina, you gotta come on."

And I wonder in that environment, what would you advise people who are early career coming out of college?

So thank you for shouting out Ron.

Since this is the Chronicle of Higher Education podcast, I will tell you that Ron is Ron Lieber.

who is the personal finance columnist for the New York Times, has written a ton about higher ed and specifically all of the complexity of paying for college.

So for sure, the book is a result in part of dialogue between the two of us.

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But while all that's going on, we have this sort of, and this, this does, does apply to women of all ages.

Um, sort of the best advice that I think in the book is from, um, uh, the New York Times money columnist, Ron Lieber.

And he says, um, you know, "You know, if you have more money, you have more time." We all know that, you know? Um, but everybody has a minute to think about what made you more happy and less happy over the course of your career.

What can you do going forward to increase the happiness and decrease the unhappiness? And if you've got 30 years of experience, that's a lot to think about.

Parents need to know this about how merit aid works.

I highly recommend people look up the book, The Price You Pay for College by Ron Lieber.

It's one of the most unhinged books that I've ever read because He goes through exactly how colleges charge, how they make up pricing, how they do all these unethical things.

He comes to the conclusion it's not necessary for a good job.