Romani people

Let's exit the echo chamber.

So we're going to talk about Jared Kushner and the book Princes and Thieves, which immediately sent me down the song Gypsies and the Thieves by Cher, which we can't play, sadly, because it's too expensive to play.

We have the book.

Yeah, we have the book.

optimistic note

yeah well optimistic and rather forward-looking note so you know we're living in a moment that i find is a moment of uh questioning people are beginning to be out in the streets there are pro-palestine demonstrations jews for palestine are speaking out Roma people are speaking up, Muslims are speaking up.

We have made headway in many, many, I think, areas in terms of spreading the message, disseminating the message and speaking about systemic structural racism, which, you know, in this city, I've been here for some time.

It was never, ever discussed.

So first of all, the Furies.

The Gypsy community is a big advocate for child marriage.

And... young women, and the men as well, which is what we spoke about last episode, that Venezuela Fury's partner and husband-to-be, or husband, is Noah, is the same age.

So there's also an element to child marriage on Child on Child, and then child marriage in in different groups where it's child to adult, which is a lot more problematic.

And things have changed because there are more black barristers and barristers from different different diverse backgrounds who have been underrepresented.

We talk about Roma gypsies, the disabled, women.

So there has been a lot of progress, but there's a lot more that needs to be done.

And certainly, there are more difficult conversations to have.

So yeah, I mean, if you think that apartheid is challenging, we have been challenged.

How should we understand the Indigenous people, Aboriginal people of Australia? Are they like an ethnic minority that exists in other countries of Europe, like the Gypsies, say like the Druze in Israel or the Andaman Islanders? Or are they like Greek Australians, another group that have varying degrees of attachment to their original homeland, just but one of many a multicultural society?

Well, they're special in as much as their attachment is to this land and they're more conscious than others of what happened to it and to them.

I understand that and they must tell their stories and we must endeavor to get the stories right.

In 2004, large numbers of the Chinese community in South Belfast were you know, forced out of the area.

You've had similar in other years of Roma community again in Belfast.

So if you sort of look back from the end of the Troubles onwards, this has become a sort of... a factor of life here.

And people, you know, I've spoken to people in the past who said that one of their big fears, and there is some studies on this, was with the end of the troubles that that violence would be directed towards migrant and ethnic minority communities.

And

so there's a huge population of Roma in Hungary, the Romani people.

And they've always been outsiders.

They're always on the outskirts of everything, partly by their own desire to do so, and partly because that's who they are.