Roger Hollis

So he was- Relatively speaking, he was small fry compared to Rothschild, who was big.

Now, the third element, which is to do with spy catcher, okay? So a lot of your audience will know about that particular operation because they were saying, uh, that Roger Hollis was a spy.

I would say categorically, without any hesitation, he never spied for Russia.

Even Gordievsky and, um, Andrew got it correct.

Usually it's swept under the carpet.

Like Sir Roger Hollis.

That ring a bell with anyone? Anyone heard of Roger Hollis? Anybody? Anybody?

Oh, wait.

Bueller.

Bueller.

Roger Hollis was head of MI5.

in what the 70s mainly in the 70s was it into the early 80s late 60s anyway for quite a while he was head of mi5 and peter wright of spy catcher fame alleges that he was a mole a soviet mole well some say that's just a peter wright fever dream some say no roger hollis almost certainly was but he got away with it though he was allowed to retire and just sweep it under the carpet