Roger Grimes

Uh, Tobin.

Uh, still friends with Roger Grimes as part of that process.

Uh, myself and Andrew Furey, uh, have been friends for, for years as part of that process.

Uh, you know, so didn't make any difference what administration was in.

Absolutely.

Uh, you know, it's, it's funny you mention those leaders you were friends with.

We had Roger Grimes on, and he would say somebody was his friend, and that turned out to be, like, the, the tee up that he was about to slam him.

[laughs] So I'll give it to you for taking the high road here.