Roger Deakin

But for tourists, it can actually be expensive if you just go to the tourist traps.

For some tips today on eating our way cheaply and memorably through Istanbul, we're joined by a friend and fellow tour guide, Lale Surmen Aran, who comes to us from Istanbul and joins us in our studio today.

Lali, thanks for joining us.

You're welcome.

Yeah, well, Holloway is one of those.

And that one had particular echoes for me because it's also the site of a very well-known British novel called Rogue Mail about another person who takes refuge in it.

And then I traveled there with a friend of mine, the writer Roger Deakin.

great books about swimming through Britain and a book called Wildwood about trees.

Oh, I'm glad that wasn't visualized.

Yes, he chose Roger Deakin, who swam thousands of miles.

Every bit of water he could find, he jumped into.

He was a great expert and a great lover of wildlife.