Roel Janssen

In his latest book, Everybody Loves Their Dollars, he argues that our efforts to fight money laundering have fundamentally failed.

I'm joined by Oliver Ballo and financial journalist Roel Janssen to talk about where the fight against dirty money goes wrong and who pays the price.

Oliver Ballo, welcome.

Good to be here.

So that was the question I set out to answer with the book was why, if the world is trying to stop money laundering.

Well, before we get back to that why, it's not just the two of us today in the studio.

As I said, we also have Roel Janssen here, who's a financial journalist who's written on many similar topics with you, Oliver, amongst which a book about financial scandals for Follow the Money and even a fiction thriller about money laundering.

And with that expertise, Roel, we'll ask you, Oliver, the perhaps more difficult questions today.