Rodrigo Nunes

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Rodrigo Nunes, who, like, has a book out, which was really great.

I mean, it's really great in Portuguese, and the new edition in English is great too, and he wrote a little contribution for North South Notes, that publication that I run in Substack, saying that Bolsonarismo has been a vehicle for a lot of different social forces that were existent before Jair came along, and it seems like Bolsonarismo can exist without Jair, that it can go forward, um, in the very, yeah, empty vessel of Flávio.

Yeah.

And so on the one hand, obviously Bolsonarismo is a radicalization of elites against, um, the poor and against a socialist project.

But there are also people, working-class people, that bet on this.

Again, I'm going back to Rodrigo Nunes, his book just came out, I think it's called Anatomy of a Disintegration.

Um, and what he calls neoliberalism from below.

We could end up seeing Brazil, like El Salvador, becoming a first line of support for Trump's migration policies in the US, but also Flavio Bolsonaro has spoken very openly and very clearly about the fact that he intends, and obviously this is part of the bargain that he's making with the US, the present US government, he's spoken very openly about the fact that if he wins, Brazil's rare earths will be entirely dedicated to, and other resources like oil and so on, will be entirely dedicated to US interests.

You just heard from Rodrigo Nunes, a Brazilian philosopher and author who's been following the rise of global fascism for a while now.

And he was talking to Democracy Now about the devastating results from Sunday's election in Brazil, where Flavio Bolsonaro, the oldest son of former insurrectionist President Jair Bolsonaro, came out ahead of Lula da Silva, who's essentially the Bernie Sanders of Brazil, by about two points.

But the far right also dominated at lower levels as well.

Antes de las elecciones, un grupo de treinta y un legisladores demócratas envió una carta al secretario de Estado de Estados Unidos, Marco Rubio, en la que acusan al gobierno de Trump de estar involucrado en una campaña sostenida y multifacética de injerencia y desestabilización en Brasil.

Vamos ahora a Río de Janeiro, donde nos acompaña Rodrigo Nunes.

Su nuevo libro, que sale a la venta esta semana, se titula Anatomía de la desintegración: lo que Brasil revela sobre la extrema derecha global.

Es profesor asociado de Filosofía en la Pontificia Universidad Católica de Río de Janeiro, Brasil, y académico invitado en la Universidad de Essex, Reino Unido.

Rodrigo Nunes, muchas gracias por estar con nosotros.

¿Puede hablar sobre la importancia de esta primera vuelta? Por supuesto, habrá una segunda vuelta entre Lula y Bolsonaro.

Además, escuchábamos a Lula expresar su sorpresa diciendo que pensaba que iba a ganar.

Y la otra cosa que me parece que podría ser interesante explorar es el hecho de que, ah, hemos visto en estas elecciones un retorno de lo que llamábamos antes de el voto, ah, el, el, el voto, ah, envergonzado en la extrema derecha.

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We go now to Rio de Janeiro, where we're joined by Rodrigo Nunes.

His new book out this week, Anatomy of Disintegration, What Brazil Reveals About the Global Far Right.

He is associate professor of philosophy at the Pontifical Catholic University of Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, and a visiting fellow at the University of Essex, U.K. Rodrigo Nunes, thanks so much for being with us.

First, if you can respond to Flavio Bolsonaro coming out ahead 47 to 45 percent against President Lula, and Lula's even expression of surprise, saying he expected to win this round.

Of course, then it goes to the next runoff election on October 25th.

Brazil has the second largest reserves of rare earths in the world, one of the largest reserves of oil as well.

So this would be a major asset for the US in the coming years.