But I wonder if you can give us a perception of what chatbots are like in terms of the ones that, I don't wanna name any names, but the big ones that people might use every day.

Well, so first I should say that, yeah, WCAG is, is what many people will have heard of.

There are equivalent accessibility guidelines for Android and iOS as well, so those would be the relevant ones there.

Obviously, if you've got a web UI within your, you know, native app, then WCAG would kick in as well.

But yeah, most people are familiar with like a chat interface with... which is a web, basically a web, um, panel, either embedded or, you know, like a, if you go to chat.com, for example.

Then it's got the same considerations.

There are several issues, like obviously unlabeled buttons to be able to upload documents or to change the model or whatever it might be.

Does that present risks in itself for, well, for consumers as well as for, for organizations trying to get information across and get services out to consumers?

right right all right so robin what what have you been working on this this this summer with vibe coding

really daft little things, mostly games, but that's just the way I roll.

And, you know, people have been doing a lot of worthy things like Alison Malloy has done AVM, Accessible Virtual Machine, which I wanted to give a plug for because all you Mac users out there who want to run Windows and are struggling with an inaccessible VM, this is a free accessible VM called AVM that she's vibe coded in about a month.

And it's really, really good.

So I wanted to get a plugin for her.

And there are so many other, I mean, just, you know, spend five minutes on Mastodon, scrolling down and you'll see 18 different really useful utilities that people have been vibe coding.

There's just so much excitement and activity out there.

them and put them in the