What's Beta Mobility been doing in the city, and how have you been working?

In Copenhagen, we've been very fortunate, uh, to have, uh, collaborated and worked on, um, some of the larger new urban developments.

Uh, most recently, and, and maybe one of our bigger projects, is the new, uh, housing development on Amager Fælled called, uh, Fælledby, uh, which is a new urban development, uh, roughly 2,000, uh, homes.

It will house, uh, 5,000 people.

Uh, there is a school of 1,000 students, a different kind of retail.

But actually, what I love most about it is that it's been designed as this really car-light area.

It is essentially built on a greenfield development, which has caused a lot of controversy, but through that has actually meant that d- the development has extremely high ambitions when it comes to sustainability, when it comes to, uh, community, when it comes to mobility.

But are you expecting everyone to come by bike?

When you sort of think globally about these different tools that we have, walk us through sort of how you think through which tools do you use and when do you implement them? And of course, we can't forget that we also have perioperative chemotherapy and our role in implementing that too.

No, I mean, it's a hugely important question.

And, you know, and just sort of restate it or reshape it.

I mean, it's really in regards to what are the biological factors that we really look at? And, you know, and there are definitely still some age old biological factors and.

You know, a shout out to Memorial Sloan Kettering, where I was trained eons ago.

You know, we still use a variant of the Fong score, meaning looking at kind of what that disease free survival is between the primary tumor and the liver disease.

Clearly, the number of tumors is.

One question I had before we transitioned over to Nick talking about curative intent mindset is, what is the role for resecting the primary at the same time that you're doing the liver, or how do you prioritize those in somebody who has an intact primary?

... where on the spectrum is there goodness, and where on the spectrum is there, is there pain and chaos, uh, just waiting to bite us?

So the, uh, the, the lesson of Agile still applies, right? W- the customer doesn't know what they want.

We don't really know how to give them what they want.

We're going to have to move in little steps and validate at the end of each step and, and be able to occur- course-correct all the time.

So that still applies, which flies in the face of the big upfront plan.

So yes, you're right, there is a bunch of people out there saying, "The only way to deal with agents is to give them a great big spec up front." Well, that doesn't work, right, for the reasons that we just talked about.

On the other hand, the vibe coding idea doesn't work either.

Interrogate everything.

Let's get back to the episode

episodeI ended up in the front seat of the car somehow and we're driving up to the top where there's play equipment.

And it's surreal when you get up to the top of this place because you see the apartheid wall, then you see the apartment buildings, but then you see soldiers in the Palestinian area as well.

They've got these big gates that of the, uh, the apartheid wall that open up like this and they can come in and come and go as they please.

Well, I was in the front of the car and I've got footage of this and I've got a, an M16 pointed at me straight through the window.

And this particular soldier didn't know what to do because I was white.

And so you could see he went from this to trying to hide his face because he didn't know where I was from or, or anything like that.

Do you have a couple stories you could share with us?

Do you want to kick us off, Robert? Maybe explain a little bit what you guys do bringing in cattle and then...

We have order buyers at different... auction barns that consolidate them at their place and they they give them the paste they give them all their different vaccines that and shots that worm them and and then they bring them to us and when we get them we're already behind because it might have been four or five six days we don't know how long they've sit at the auction barn before they were ever bought now it's really a high risk calf and hard way to make a living So have you

Before they get there, what have you seen?

Since we started using the paste, we've noticed a big difference in the numbers of the ones we've had to pull in individually.

And if I do treat them, I give them the paste again, and our retreat numbers are down.

It's way easier to preventative measures than once one gets sick, it's hard to bring one back, especially a little, a young one.

Most of the cattle we have, being so small, don't have any markings on their ears and they probably don't have any mineral.

And they probably never had anything done.