And that, to me, made the point about the difference between reform and the other political parties yeah and people are people crying

out for normal people to be involved in politics you know don't get me wrong it might it took me a bit of time to get used to it like any sort of changing career it would take a a bit of time, but I'd get that help.

I'd get that support.

If I were the one in Makerfield, it wouldn't just be me sat in an office on my own.

I'd have a team of people helping me.

The party would want me to succeed in order to set that precedent, say, look what we can do.

They wouldn't let me fail.

What was it like afterwards? Because after all that adrenaline has gone, how did it leave you, personally? Well,

Rob.

Uh, thanks.

Great question, that, because it's something I've been right behind, especially the 400 houses in Winstanley, you know, just behind Springpool.

That's something that we're going against because it's a, it's an extra thousand people living in Winstanley.

You know, extra thousand people using the shops, the doctors, the dentists, the roads.

Uh, we haven't got the infrastructure, so that's something we're against.

And all, uh, there's another development in Hindley that also goes through green belt.

Let me just give you a chance to answer that.

Okay.

I think that's what the best thing to say.

I've become a lot more involved in politics, geopolitical politics.

A bit, a bit more ...

I've learned a bit more about, so I've formed a different opinion than what I might have had, you know, 10, 15 years ago.

Do you know what, Chris, why don't we hear a little bit more of your exchange with Robert Kenyon where you put some of these themes that we've just been discussing to him.

There might have been a few crass comments.

You know, if, you know, if I'm ele- as an elected public official, which I am now, I wouldn't make any crass comments because everything you do, say, is under a microscope.