Robert Kagan

So we had Don Drummond, the economist, to talk about the upcoming budget.

And we've got Robert Kagan coming on, the great American political scientist, to talk about the election.

Awesome.

Former Monk debater, Rob Kagan.

Yeah.

I was remembering the Atlantic piece by Robert Kagan, the father of all neocons.

And when he's talking about the bombing not solving the problem and how Iran has gained strategic leverage through Hormuz, you know it's over and you've lost even the hawks.

Yeah.

On Rubio, so again, I just want to repeat, people I've spoken to in the administration, I'm very confident to say he is advocating against resuming this war.

And even if it's the neocon, I do want to say Robert Kagan is another example.

Even neocons understand that even if they want a war to happen, the war could go so catastrophically bad that even that people that want to see the regime gone, understand that if it's just not feasible militarily, they understand there's no point doing it.

I would like Iran gone, but we cannot do it militarily.

But there's like a little bit of a door crack.

And by the Friday show of that week, every guest I had, including Bob Kagan, who was the founder of the PNAC and the neocons.

Bob Kagan, who's been great on this in the Atlantic.

Even people you would think would be dispositionately interested to overthrowing the Ayatollah are just like, the way they went about this, the strategy, the planning, the political implications was insane.

And so I just think that it's the difference.

But then again, they tell each other that that's their justification so often that like, I don't know, maybe on the margin, they do kind of believe it.

I mean, Robert.

For one example, like Frank Gaffney was absolutely flipping out at the time that the Muslim Brotherhood was going to come to power.

And Robert Kagan was like, I don't know, man, we're the ones who said hold popular elections and respect their results 10,000 times.

Like, let's give them a shot.

I don't know.

Absolutely.

Thank you for having me.

And so this report is called Rebuilding America's Defenses, Strategy, Forces and Resources for a New Century.

written by William Crystal, currently a arguably the most left-leaning commentator on the political content creation site, The Bulwark, and Robert Kagan, who's a noted military historian, but a very right-wing one.

Writes a lot of good stuff.

William Crystal also recently opened up his new show on Broadway, which we're very happy for him on that.