Robert K. Naviaux

Yeah, 'cause those are downstream.

Not only is it downstream, in a state of cell danger response, which for your listening audience, cell danger response is a concept developed by Bob Naviaux.

It's a brilliant way to understand the complexity biochemically of what's happening in almost every chronic condition.

And on a simplistic level, on a cellular level, which extends to the whole organism, if someone is experiencing infection, toxins, or stress, or combinations of those, the cell shuts down in order to contain the infection, to deal with the stress, which extends to the whole body.

But it's not, because mitochondria, you know, we...

this is the whole, you know, cell danger story that, um, Dr. Robert Naviaux kind of popularized, and Bob is a, a, a, a dear friend and, and someone I've...

He changed how I think i- in a way, 'cause I was in, in...

I met him in 2013.

I don't know how, but we got hold of...

Dr. Navier's paper, The Cell Danger Response, which was published in 2013, somehow I got an advanced copy.

And I read it, and I was blown away.

This puts together so many things that have seemed separate or unconnected in a profound way.

The simplest way to understand cell danger response is that on a cellular level, which extends to the whole organism, a threat, particularly a threat in the form of toxins, infections, or stress, will get the cell to basically shut down to protect itself and the neighboring cells from that threat.

And once that shutdown has occurred, it sets forth an inflammatory reaction in the body, and you're not going to turn off that inflammatory reaction until you neutralize the threat.

That seems simple, profound, but Dr. Navier worked out the details of that.

So he worked out all of the biochemical changes and shifts that occur as a part of that threat, which was an orchestrated process.

When, when did this idea of the mitochondria as a threat detection system, when did, when did that kind of start to emerge?

So, I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not a researcher, and therefore, I don't think I have my finger across the entire literature, but I first learnt about it through Robert Naviaux, um, and that's the cell danger response.

Ah, boom.

Yeah.