If Labor continue to destroy our economy, do you not worry that it will be unaffordable? Tony in Bedford.

Well, it's gonna get harder and harder.

You see what's happening right now.

You read these reports.

You know, John Healey, the chancellor, is, um, r-preparing the ground for a budget in which taxes are just gonna go up, uh, again.

But I do think it's possible.

I wouldn't have made this.

Go on, Rob.

Well-

Well-This is a breakthrough moment for Reform.

It means that we can level the playing field with the two old parties who have raised far more than Reform has over the last five years.

Our 270,000 members have got us to this point, but we did need this now so that we actually have the bandwidth to build the team in the country so we're battle ready for the general election, whether it's in couple of months or indeed in, in two years' time, and so that we're actually prepared for government.

So if we win that election, we do what none of the recent governments have been able to do, which is actually deliver on our promises.

So it's a very, very important moment for us as a party, where we can look to the future with confidence and get on with the job of winning the election.

How are we distinguishing this from the money that Christopher Harbourne has given to Nigel Farage for his personal security, which is currently under investigation?

Well, this is a gift to Reform, to our party, and it's going to be spent on ensuring that we can win all those constituencies across the country, to go from eight members of parliament to 350 or 400 members of parliament, which is the enormous task that's ahead of us, to build the best policy team so that we have the policies and the plans, necessarily the legislation written ahead of the general election, and we can go on and fight with parties who have got a huge institutional advantage.

Where barges once unloaded coal for Londoners, Rob was about to make a profound promise to Alarm Clock Britain, one that would put more money in the pockets of hard-working people and, for some, potentially change their lives.

I'm Robert Jenrick.

And this is my 100 day pledge.

I know life's hard at the moment.

Times are tough.

That's why I want to give you some relief.

I want to cut your taxes.

In terms of actually being Chancellor, the role itself, does that excite you? And what else are you thinking about in future?

That is a challenge to Labour and the Tory party.

It is.

Well, Andy Burnham, when he was on the campaign trail over in Makerfield, said that this was the number one thing people raised on the doorstep.

People were feeling hard up.

They wanted to keep a bit more of their own money.

And they couldn't believe that the tax-free personal allowance had been frozen since 2021.

It was due to be frozen to 2031.

What do you make of that? I

Let's start with Mr Burnham's long-awaited return to Parliament, 16 years in the making, and he said the top line there, Britain is not where any of us would want it to be.

Well, I thought it was a bit of a damp squib, to be honest.

He's wanted this job for years and years and years.

We had the summer when he was supposedly on his listening tour around the country in his polo shirt.

And now he's put a suit on and a tie, come back to Parliament.

And the hard truth is, it's just more of the same.

It's more of the same, a little bit more fluent than wooden old kist armour.

Is this, as critics seem to be saying, Nigel Farage running scared of Westminster?

And do you know why? Because there is no other party like this right now.

And it wasn't just the fireworks and, you know, Nigel doing a really good speech, which obviously he does in a way that none of the other leaders would be able to.

But it was the people who were there as well.

They're all walks of life, young and old, rich and poor.

You know, you had no disrespect, you know, farmers in their green trousers and things, you know.

But then you had brickies and plumbers who were, you know, just parked their white van outside having done a day's work in Sheffield or Doncaster.

The mix of people was incredible.

For anyone who's thinking about going to a party conference for the very first time, but maybe they're thinking they wouldn't quite fit in, what advice would you give them?

This refusal of this government-

Well, just, just on the point you're making about the ECHR, Jeremy, I think it's important that...

Look, I was one of the first people to advocate for this within my former party, the Conservative Party, but let's be clear about the limitations of this.

It, it's gonna take months to leave the ECHR, months to pass legislation through Parliament.

Then you've gotta build the prisons, uh, even if they are emergency ones, in which you detain all of these people.

The British public aren't prepared to wait months and months or years to fix this problem.

What Reform are saying is very different to what the other parties are saying.

This is another thing that's stopping people being successful.

Has that money been earmarked in any particular direction at this stage?

Not yet, although there's lots of people in reform who've got ideas about what we should spend that money on.

I mean, part of it will need to be on paying down all the debts because, I mean, the country is in a mess at the moment.

We're up to our neck in debt and that's just getting worse.

We're spending or about to spend more on debt interest than we spend on the defence and schools budget combined.

Imagine that.

But look, yeah, I want to use some of this money to do the things that reform supporters want to see.

ultimately, is the ambition simply to cut the welfare bill? Are you looking more at changing the working culture or perhaps

Talk us through your numbers.

Well, no, the current system is just totally unfair.

We want to have a safety net.

Of course we do.

We want to ensure that if you have the tough times, you get ill, maybe you're disabled, your children are disabled, there's always the right protection there.

And let me be very clear, a reformed government will ensure that that's in place.

But in recent times, things have got completely out of control.

Is it time to go to war once again with Brussels? Well, I don't think it

would

all be orchestrated in some way.

And there'd be like some special advisor, you know, giving lines to take to somebody or other.

Yeah.

to go and do the media, whilst here we actually trust people.

We allow our members to speak to the media.

It's just such a different type of party, isn't it? They're just going up to random people at the bar and asking them, Well, I've said this before, but the truth is there's no other political party that would be able to put on an event like this.

you definitely saw sort of a widening or a broadening in your own appeal when you joined Reformed?

It was something Reform's Shadow Chancellor, Robert Jenrick, had spoken about on GB News.

We all want to do things to improve social care.

Anyone who's got elderly relatives, I have at the moment, uh, going through that system knows its many flaws.

But I don't think you do that by raiding the savings of hard-working people.

Zia's message ended with a stark warning, "Understand what time it is in Britain." [bell tolling] The next day, Thursday the 30th of July, Rob Jenrick hosted a press conference in Westminster.

Hello, good morning, everybody, and thank you very much for joining us.

Uh, well, look, imagine the scene.

[smacks lips] A loved one, maybe your parent or your grandparent, has passed away.

What's your reaction to this, please?

Well, look, I'm pleased that the police are taking seriously the individual who actually wore the T-shirt, because that's clearly by far the more serious offence.

In the context of Anne Widdicombe's murder just a few weeks ago, the hundreds of death threats that Nigel has received, including some which are very serious indeed.

As you know, a man was recently arrested for threatening to kill him.

Another man is in jail, an illegal migrant, for literally coming across the channel with the express purpose of killing Nigel.

In that context, it cannot be right for somebody to be sporting that T-shirt and then putting it out on social media.

Whether Zach Polanski should be charged or not, it was clearly a very foolish thing for him to do.

She's trying to build a cross-party coalition, isn't she? Do you support taxation to improve all of our care in old age?

Your thoughts?

Well, look, we all can see the problems with social care and we all want to make sure there is a better system that looks after us and our loved ones in the last decades of their lives.

We all care, frankly, about the people who work in care homes, who are badly paid, poorly treated, and their wages are constantly being undercut by all of the foreign migrant labour that has come into the country over the last 20 years.

But the answer to the problem is not to massively hike taxes on everyone in the country.

And Andy Burnham refused to rule out tax rises.

In fact, he said there would be, quote, difficult decisions ahead, which is which is politicians speak for your taxes are about to go up big time.

And there seems to be two options being considered.

This isn't good enough, is it?

Can you imagine if somebody on the right had done something like this to somebody on the left of politics, my friend?

Yeah.

Can you imagine the outcry if it was Nigel Farage or myself who had done this to Andy Burnham or Zak Polanski? 100% this would be the biggest story and people would rightly be absolutely furious, uh, at us for doing it.

It is absolutely disgusting that Zak Polanski did this, 'cause the context, remember, is we're just a few weeks past the brutal murder of our colleague, Ann Widdecombe.

Uh, we have hundreds and hundreds of death threats, many of them credible, against Nigel.

There's a man in prison for threatening to kill him who came across on a small boat, uh, with the express purpose of murdering Nigel Farage.

The police said they arrested somebody the other day, uh, for threatening to kill him.

Don't you?

... "I feel let down by the very politicians who I worked with."

And, and, you know, the irony was that her own husband's killers got a very short sentence, and she changed the law so that that would never happen again in the future.

But then to add insult to injury, Lammy, uh, and now the new justice secretary, Alex Norris, are, are pursuing this early release policy that means that they're only gonna serve half of the original sentence.

I find it absolutely astonishing.

A- and the sad thing is, the answer is within our grasp.

20% of people in our prisons are foreigners.

You've gotta get these people out of our country.

Yeah.

Mr. Jenrick, morning to you.

you.Hi, good morning, Nick.

Well, look, this is going to lead to thousands of dangerous people being let out onto the streets, people who've been convicted of very, very serious offenses.

We know that the victims of eight thousand seven hundred sexual offenses have already been contacted.

Those are victims of rape, uh, child sexual abuse.

Uh, so very serious offenders are gonna be let out.

And then the news that we've heard from Debbie Adlam is as concerning that an actual killer or two killers are going to be released, having served as half their sentence.

That's quite a chunk, Mr. Jenrick.

Um, just before we came on air, I spoke to Robert Jenrick, uh, who is the Reform UK MP for Newark, their Treasury tr- spokesperson as well, and I asked him what he made of Andy Burnham's speech.

Well, look, Matt, I wish him well for the sake of the country, but I, I fear it's going to end badly.

He said he's gonna bring about the biggest change for forty years, but he doesn't have a plan, and you see that in everything that's happened in recent weeks.

He actually asked, it's reported, Keir Starmer for more time to prepare before becoming Prime Minister, which Keir Starmer turned him down on.

He, he couldn't say who his Chancellor and senior ministers were gonna be, uh, just a couple of days ago, despite the fact these are absolutely critical decisions.

He's facing both ways on lots of crucial issues.

He might be about to sign off some old oil and gas licenses, but he doesn't want any new ones.

Is he? He didn't say that.

But that's gonna cost a lot of money, and it's gonna require a lot of recruitment.

Yes.

But what's the alternative? To lose bright people who'd otherwise have gone into politics.

I think the caliber of our politics has declined in recent years.

People want the best and the brightest to be going in to serve their country, to serve in government if they have the opportunity, and I don't want to see people being put off because they're worried about their own personal security or that of their family.

And in my time in politics, which is only 13 years now, I've seen two serving members of parliament murdered.

I'm just intrigued by your repositioning on Thatcher.

The, the...

But just on the concept of threats to MPs and significant public figures in politics, what's your current thinking on that situation?

Well, firstly, we should say that the way the police handle this has turned out to be a total mess.

You know, the facts of the case that somebody had come to Anne's house, which is in a very remote location, parked his car on the drive, not taken anything from her home.

These at least raised the suspicion that this was not just a burglary gone wrong, which is what we were told by the authorities on the day.

And Nigel was right.

to raise concerns that maybe just maybe that wasn't what happened.

Maybe this was premeditated.

Can I just get thoughts from you on where we sit now? How would you summarize the current situation? I think it's got worse.

What was your response when you heard that news?

Well, good evening.

It was very disturbing, but I wasn't shocked.

The facts always seemed to me to make it unlikely that this was as the police and others had said at the weekend, a burglary that had gone horribly wrong.

It seemed very unlikely that a burglar would have gone to the house, parked his car outside the property in plain sight in the middle of the day, and then obviously committed this appalling murder of Anne, all in the name of taking something from her property.

So i- it didn't surprise me.

Uh, the position that Nigel Farage had set out at the weekend where he said that this was at least a possibility has been vindicated.

What do you say back to that?

And I asked him, what is the point of this by-election in Clacton?

Well, it feels to me that the other political parties have already decided what's going to happen.

They've decided that Nigel's guilty, or at least that's what they're going to say, and that there's going to be another by-election.

If you look at Kemi Baynock, she's tweeted saying, well, we won't put up a candidate in this by-election, but we will in the next one.

So they've all prejudged the investigation that's to come.

That's not to say that the Standards Commissioner has prejudged it, but certainly the politicians involved seem to have done.

And so Nigel felt...

You didn't do

In the

public interest? You are seriously arguing that it was in the public interest to go to the house of Nigel Farage's daughter? That is your argument, is it?

You're making the

argument as to why...

I'm not making any argument.

The political establishment, of which Sky News is clearly a part, is trying to hound Nigel Farage...

No, hang on.

...to try to get him to leave public life by putting pressure on his family.

So does he want Nigel Farage to continue as leader and become prime minister?

The reason I chose to rally behind Nigel and reform six months ago was because I see our country slipping away.

I see my constituents in Nottinghamshire struggling with their bills, their wages, the poor public services.

feeling that the country that they love is just not the one that they grew up in and not the one they want their kids and grandkids to grow up in either.

And the only way to bring about that change, to actually get this country up off the floor and back to being a great country again, is to have Nigel as our prime minister.

And it is not for the old parties to determine that.

So let's see what the people of Clapton have to say about this.

What do you say to that?

Right

... at the last general election, is worried that Nigel Farage is gonna be our next prime minister, that the cozy consensus that has run this country for far too long is gonna be shaken up, and there's gonna be real change on the things-

Right

... was a personal gift from a friend.

Nigel has good friends who supported him in the past.

Are you really saying that any of this would influence Nigel's principles and values? I think we can-

And so before we get onto questions of policy, what message would you like to give to the audience today?

Well, firstly, thank you, Callum.

Thank you to your colleagues at Peel Hunt, and thank you very much for coming to see me today.

Look, I joined reform about four, five months ago, so I'm still in my reform nappies, really, although as a startup party, nobody has been in reform for very long.

But I joined reform For two principal reasons.

Number one, I had lost faith over a period of time with the Conservative Party.

I'd been part of it for 25 years.

What were the issues there, if you can touch on that, but how do we make sure we get it right in the UK? How do we shrink the civil service down to size? How do we improve its efficiency? What steps would you take?