Robert Hansen

Well, that's true.

And in the movie Breach, which was based on Robert Hansen, not doing his dry cleaning was one of the main things that got him caught.

He

didn't dry clean.

It's a 2007 film that talks about...

Well, that features the FBI and the DOJ, the Department of Justice, and the hunt for Robert Hansen when he was found to be... letting secrets be known to uh the russian intelligence uh so we have this thriller featuring chris cooper as robert hansen ryan felipe as uh just uh agent neil but i think i'm brutalizing that i don't have that in my notes there but yeah eric

neil i think yeah

as well as Dennis Haysbert.

I've got an ax to grind, and I'm going to be able to do it.

I look at Robert Hansen, the first kind of individual I'll briefly run through.

FBI individual.

He was actually called the mortician.

Now, we talked a little bit earlier, Joe was talking about money.

Now, ego does weave into a lot of different money aspects.

What is it about money? In fact, it played this with Robert Hansen.

He ended up taking money and quite a bit of money, but he rarely used it on himself.

His job description... did not match.

Robert Hansen also took longer because he was careful about money and instead built his double life around control, choosing dead drops and anonymous drops to let him remain invisible even to the Russians he was selling secrets to.

Two men, two different appetites, the same truth.

A mole is rarely caught by an interrogation.

And I was...

I was pleased to know that one of my friends in the FBI, Mike Rochford, a real national hero, Mike Rochford recruited the Russian who gave us the identity of Robert Hansen, which I thought was fitting.

So they tried to, once they'd arrested Hansen, they tried to rehabilitate Brian Kelly, but it had a terrible toll on his health.

And within a few years of his retirement, he basically died.