You know, w- what, like, how does that happen? Like, how does the culture of a club become what it is?

Uh, you know, it's, it's based on game hawking, you know? And there's a lot of posers or a lot of people come in, they're gonna bring their birds, you're not gonna see them.

But you know, we've always been the hardcore, you know? Well, case, me and Case are from the same state.

Every time we go out somewhere we expect to catch something, and, um, and, and that breeds, uh, you know, good game hawkers.

And all my apprentices w- were the same way, you know? They ...

I had three apprentices, they, they all turned out to be outstanding game hawkers, and it kinda perpetuates that way.

And, uh, I know a lot of people d- approach the clubs and were like, "Oh, I just wanna, I wanna get a bird, but I'm not gonna fly it," or something like that.

Like, absolutely ridiculous.