So it took the ringdings and the Coke for you to kind of fall on low or fall on low with it a little bit or at least tolerate it? At what point did you realize, like, hey, this might be something I want to do maybe more than just to get ringdings and a COVID? I'm pretty good at this.

Honestly, I never thought of anything of the game.

We were incredibly ignorant, as maybe that's ignorance is bliss.

I had no idea of anything.

Just having fun, enjoying the game, enjoying to compete and to play.

I would say maybe...

When I think I saw my name in a paper for the draft in like 1997.

So What do you think, in your opinion, is one thing that parents unintentionally do that might hurt their players' development? And on the opposite part of the spectrum, what's one thing that parents do that really helps players along the way?

And then, you know, when you obviously got to your professional career and college career, right, you were known as more of a stay-at-home defenseman, right? But so what was that? kind of process like in figuring out that part of your game? Yeah, well,

I would say the biggest – I got invited to World Junior Camp, which is hilarious.

I had no idea what it was.

When I got – even when I started getting college letters, I had to look it up.

Hockey is not exactly a boon here on Long Island, so at the time – you know, I had, I had to go, there was no internet.

I literally had to go to the library and like look up hockey East.

Like I had to look up the divisions and educate myself because I thought I was going to go to West point because they were interested and I figured it's a great school and I'm never going to do any better.

Can you talk about a little bit about like some practices there?