Mm-hmm.

Now, that being said, uh, we've seen too many times now, including this past weekend, these attempted would-be, uh, attackers, uh, targeting these facilities, these people, these congregations.

And so what we really need now, Jeff, is a, is to acknowledge these, these would-be evildoers exist.

They are targeting and will continue to target.

And so what are we gonna do as, as responsible people? I say, you know, let it be your ministry, if you're so called, to, to, you know, learn how to be part of the solution, whether it's...

You know, it doesn't have to be involved in armed response.

There, you know-

Mm.

Mm.

And- and actually communicated his intent and his desire to kill as many, uh, as possible.

Uh, but it was only...

This is early reporting now, Jeff, but my understanding based on the reporting is that he actually went to the Hindu temple armed with, uh, you know, a long gun, a high-capacity magazine type.

And fortunately, it sounds like one shot was fired, and his weapon, uh, misfired or jammed.

He then fled the scene, went back home, and was- was ultimately taken into custody outside of his home.

But, you know, once again, we've narrowly, uh, potentially averted just an absolute tragedy at another house of worship here in the United States.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Now, that being said, uh, we've seen too many times now, including this past weekend, these attempted would-be, uh, attackers, uh, targeting these facilities, these people, these congregations.

And so- What we really need now, Jeff, is to, is to acknowledge these, these would-be evildoers exist.

They are targeting and will continue to target.

And so what are we gonna do as, as responsible people? I say, you know, let it be your ministry, if you're so called, to, to, you know, learn how to be part of the solution, whether it's...

You know, it doesn't have to be involved in armed response.

There, you know, certainly is a place.

Mm.

which lawyers are calling her, doesn't the prosecution start to have a leg up on knowing what the attorney-client privilege or the defense strategy might be just by knowing who's talking to who when?

Yeah, John, you hit on a real key point there, and it's important for your audience to understand a PIN register simply identifies identities talking to others, whether it's a phone number or an email address or something like that.

It's not the content, which is much more sensitive and much more protected.

But to your point, John, when you're able to, in almost real time, see, okay, we've identified who these numbers belong to.

We know what these lawmakers have been doing because they have a published schedule or these defense attorneys, these advisers.

We know what they're doing.

We know who they're talking to.

Tell us what we should be watching for in that.

If Iran's proxies really were involved, and I think they were, with the potential attack on Fairford, the air base there, if they can recruit proxies there, what's the threat look like around bases and soft targets in the U.S., in your opinion?

Well, unfortunately, you know, in the United States, our greatest strength, our freedom of speech, our freedom of movement, freedom of assembly is also obviously our greatest weakness.

And our adversaries are well aware of those and are very well funded and positioned to exploit those.

And they do so quite frequently.

You know, it's nothing new to the United States intelligence community and domestic security agencies like the FBI, like Homeland Security.

They're on high alert, but unfortunately, you know, underfunded, understaffed.

We're well aware of the, you know, the defund the police movement.

What should a law-abiding gun owner here know about what's going on at SCOTUS?

Rob Chadwick is a former FBI supervisory special agent and principal training advisor for the United States Concealed Carry Association.

I'm not sure how the initial alert happened.

I don't know if it was, you know, OpenAI themselves reaching out or if the FBI or DHS or another federal agency had some sort of, you know... algorithm running to monitor for this type of, you know, search inquiry.

I am aware that federal agencies are increasingly deploying, you know, these automated algorithms to search for exactly this type of prompt, you know, the troubling, how do I shoot up my school type of prompt.

And unfortunately, we're seeing quite a lot of that.

So I'm not sure if it again, if it was the feds themselves or if it was the AI company that that contacted the feds.

And then typically what happens in an international type of cooperation is is the FBI's office locally here in the United States would send a communication to the legal attache or legal office.

One day, do you think this will be sort of ubiquitous and normal and we're just uncomfortable with it right now? Or do you foresee some pretty heavy use requirements enacted at some point to limit this kind of AI surveillance?

What happened? Do we know what happened in that apartment building in Minnesota, Rob Chadwick?

Yeah, again, it's a tragedy.

You and I talk about these things, unfortunately, way too often.

And it's just another one of these added to the list.

And we're still really way too early gathering the facts.

Again, fine there's all sorts of speculation but uh you know i always like to wait a little bit of time to gather the facts and you know honestly the last thing i want to do is is figure out the motivation of the shooter because i don't care right it's it's a it's a terrible thing that's happened yeah and uh you know

And in Times Square, you've got to think about it, going, training, and carrying Rob Chadwick, you know?

Yeah, Joe.

What is the average response time when something like this happens?

Well, Dan, you're spot on.

And when I was with the FBI, I retired.

My last position was at Quantico, leading the FBI's active shooter response training program.

Oh, wow.

You're absolutely right.

Three to four minutes is pretty ideal.

Tell them, Rob, the importance of going out, learning, training, being ready, and carrying that firearm at all times.

So tell us from your perspective what happened.

Tutor, you know, let me start by saying thank you for this opportunity, and, and, and I'm sorry.

I know you and, uh, Charlie knew each other and, and many of your colleagues, uh, knew him well.

I did not know or ever get a chance to meet Charlie, uh, but I was a longtime admirer of his, specifically, uh, his courage and grace in trying to foster what is most important in American society, and that is civil discourse.

Right? We, we are a nation built on the freedom of speech, uh, and, you know, hopefully mutual respect.

And, and what I want people, you know, today, uh, uh, on all days, right, of 9/11, Remembrance Day, of, of the terrorist attack that happened to us almost 25 years ago, 24 years ago.

I, of course, remember it well.

We'll keep this event." Well, how do we, how do we manage this? And you've seen some people who, because the shooter has not been found, I think that there are people who are saying, "Uh, I don't wanna go out and do anything just yet because I have a family, I have kids," you know?