It's a complete merry-go-round.

Well, unfortunately, it's not a merry-go-round because once an individual gets into Britain, claims asylum, there's very little likelihood of them actually being removed.

And of course, the government is talking a good game about bringing down that initial acceptance rate.

But it is the immigration tribunals where the magic does seem to be happening for asylum seekers.

And of course, we are actually now seeing a huge, huge surge in the backlog of cases because individuals have recognised that this is a way to be able to stay in Britain, just to give a sense of how much this has exploded out of control.

In March 23, there were about 8,000 cases in the asylum courts.

That's now at 87,000.

You stay in.

That means, by my reckoning, a 96% chance guarantee of staying in Hotel Britannia.

And the deportation figure is the only thing that actually matters when it comes to this crisis.

Everything else is really just noise.

I mean, two thirds of the electorate think that every single illegal migrant should be deported straight away and actually are incredibly frustrated with the asylum system.

But the simple fact that we're not even able to remove failed asylum seekers effectively is saying to those thousands of migrants in northern France that if you can get your foot in Britain, you are going to be able to stay.

And you can either stay whilst you're in the asylum system, having your initial claim processed, then a couple more years whilst you drag your heels and have human rights appeals, judicial reviews and so forth.

And then even if your asylum claim is ultimately rejected, there is still a very, very small chance that you will actually be removed from the country.

Somehow, part two, legal migration, feels worse.

It seems to be a pattern emerging across the European continent.

Yeah, so countries in Europe do collect this data a lot better than we do.

Germany, Finland and Denmark being three of the key examples.

And when you look at those countries, you do see remarkably similar patterns on those nationalities when it comes to our own channel crisis, the Afghanistans, Syrians, Irans and Somalias are systematically overrepresented in either being convicted or being linked to sex crimes you know in germany afghans are linked to sex crimes at a rate that's 227 higher than germans iraqi's 241 somalians about 220 huge over representations and what we're saying and i would also first of all like to pay a real tribute to these uh individuals and families that have come forward it's not an easy thing to do and i'd also like to thank claire who brought these names together um What we are asking here from the Ministry of Justice is to just give us the basis for a properly functioning border policy.

It's what other countries in Europe do.

And I think once we get this data, and I'm very confident this data will eventually have to be hounded out of the Ministry of Justice, we can start... conversation about whether the Home Office is actually removing enough foreign national offenders.

They're making a big song and dance about increasing the removals, but it is actually enough.

Could this information, if it were published, just blow the lid off the whole multicultural dream of base?

This exclusive must blow your socks off.

Yeah, it's an astonishing exclusive, and I think it really does lay bare those intimate relationships that exist between public authorities and, let's be frank, open border campaigns that are able to get that charity status.

I think there's a lot to be unpicked in actually what Right to Remain are offering.

Of course, basically, they've laid on a platter how you can gain the asylum system, and given how lax the Home Office actually is at conducting proper assessments, a lot of the advice they provide is probably going to be successful.

But there is of course also another element to this.

There's effectively a blueprint on how to live in Britain as an undocumented migrant, as they perhaps refer to it.

So there's tips on what to do when there are immigration raids taking place in your area and sort of linking you up to what are known as anti-raid networks.

How? How is it possible that 1,500 foreigners who have been released from jail who are fit for deportation are even in the country in the first place?

Well, as a great man once said, Martin, I think the lunatics have taken over the asylum system here.

And this is almost a triple whammy of insult to the British public.

We've got illegal migrants being allowed to stay in the country, but the legal migrants who have gone on to commit crimes being allowed to stay in the country.

And we're paying for it.

I think this is an astonishing state of affairs.

And it really just goes to show that actually the asylum system now, with all the trappings of the ECHR and the Refugee Convention, is actively working against the safety of the British public.

Surely that's putting British citizens in danger.

Rob, why is this PM avoiding the issue?

I think it's because it's an incredibly uncomfortable one for him.

If you think about it, being swept into number 10 really only by an electorate of backbench Labour MPs, most of whom have been vehemently against any attempt to clamp down on legal migration and the Boris way, but also have been very, very loose on clamping down on illegal migration.

He can't really afford to annoy them.

But also, actually, his background whilst in Manchester is incredibly striking.

Actually, I think there needs to be a lot more scrutiny of what his views actually are.

This is an individual who has previously said that channel migrants should have the right to work, which would, of course, as anyone with any common sense can see, be a huge pull factor.

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What have they got to hide?

And I think that will be the question many people are asking themselves when they hear that their own government is now going to the courts to effectively launch an attack on transparency and accountability.

And we, of course, have seen this before with the Labour Party when it comes to the grooming gangs.

But I think actually it is important for people to understand that the data we do have and has revealed some of the trends that you allude to there, is a far more limited scope than actually the data that is currently in contention.

This would have been the single most comprehensive and detailed release of migrant crime data that this country has probably ever seen.

And it is actually something that should be in the public domain to help enlighten and inform the public debate about how we go forward towards a more sensible migration policy that isn't exposing the British public to huge risks.

I think David Lammy has now clearly been turfed out by Andy Burnham.

It might upset the dream of multiculturalism.

Perhaps that explains why so few of these facilities are mixed.

I, I think it does.

I also think, actually, it shows that we need to do a lot more to invest in the immigration es- uh, removal estate.

I think we've got a woefully low number of beds, actually, for the scale of removals that we need to be seeing.

But when it comes to this particular case and these individuals that are, uh, depraved and, and doing, you know, really, really grotesque things, I think people need to understand that, uh, more than half of those individuals that do enter immigration removal centers, whether that be for crimes or whether that be because they've entered the country illegally, do get released onto Britain's streets.

They get given bail, and then they're given effectively free rein to wander around amongst us.

And I think this is, uh, again, another instance of, um, highlighting the, the type of individual that is, A, arriving on the small boat, but, B, also the type of individual that has arrived maybe legally or been given asylum after arriving on a small boat and do have legal status, are then going on to commit, uh, one crime and then, it, uh, uh, committing these kind of acts in the removal center as well.

And Rob Bates, the data that you produce yourself there at the Center for Migration Control seems to intimate certain nationalities pose a greater threat per capita, for example, those from Afghanistan.

But again, it's a derisory amount because the lifetime cost of one of these people to the taxpayer surely runs into the hundreds of thousands, doesn't it?

If you take the OBR, the Office for Budget Responsibility, sort of modeling what a low-wage migrant will take out of the Treasury, by the time they reach 80, they, they've cost us half a million pounds.

And I, I think unfortunately, most asylum seekers fit the profile if they're working at all of a low-wage migrant.

And we know from DWP data, Department for Work and Pensions data, that two-thirds of those with refugee status are claiming Universal Credit at any one time, and that's before you consider the social housing costs and the obligations, the NHS costs and obligations.

And that is of course just the refugees, not the individuals that have come over to join them and become dependents as well.

So th- this idea that they're going to all be required to stump up 10,000 pounds is absolutely fanciful.

And you know, it get- it's got a lot of coverage, and I will give the, the PR team of the, of the Home Office a lot of credit for that.

What has the Labor government done on both of those things?

Rob, how many times have I said to you the lunatics have taken over the asylum system? And here we go again.

It is exactly as you described there.

We are now being run by madmen who seem heck bent on devaluing British citizenship.

I mean, if you want to talk about the mother of all pull factors, I would suggest that awarding or allowing individuals that break into our country to obtain British citizenship is pretty high Of course, this was something that the Tories did try and clamp down on whilst in government.

They introduced good character requirements that effectively said, you know, if the first thing you do whilst in our country is break our laws, fall foul of our laws, then you're not really going to be eligible for British citizenship.

The Labour government saw a lot of challenges, legal challenges by human rights groups and so forth on these measures and have eventually caved in and secretly amended the guidance that effectively now does mean that individuals who have come into our country far-flung, culturally distant nations broken in, imposed huge costs on the taxpayer, are now going to be given a legal status that makes them as British on paper as you or I. I think it's a really offensive state of affairs and something that actually is only going to increase the incentives for individuals to make these crossings.

Because, of course, these individuals want to get given asylum.

Now, I know, Rob Bates, in the past you've complained about the judges being woke, but can you seriously imagine that a panel... hired by the government will share the views, perhaps, of GB News viewers? Or do you feel it could be about as balanced as the BBC Question Time audience?

Rob Bates, how in the name of baby Jesus can 108,000 asylum seekers simply vanish? That's a town the size of Harrogate, of Tamworth, of Rugby, simply vanished.

It, it is astonishing, um, and I think the answer to your question, how it's happened, is quite clearly state incompetence.

I think there are, there are three main routes through which individuals are still in the country.

I think, first of all, when, uh, all as- uh, asylum appeals are exhausted, uh, it doesn't necessarily mean the individual is then brought into detention.

In fact, the home office allows many, many to just continue sort of milling around whilst it ums and ahs as to whether they, um, have a good chance of actually removing them, and therefore, those individuals stay in the communities.

You've then also got, of course, those individuals who are able to make claims under exceptional circumstances, um, or dependents, family life, and so forth, and, you know, continue dragging on the interminable process.

But then most worrying of all, of course, you've got those that just simply disappear, and the home office has no track as to where they actually are.

Rob Bates, of course, the government would point out the record deportation levels are amongst us.

Why has this world remained intellectually interesting to you?

That's a good question.

I think-First of all, I like the fact that it is, in a weird way, a community that it's a business, and there's no question it's a business.

There are people I've known, like I know, I've probably known you like 20 years, right? There are people I've known since I was 26, 27.

That's nice, right? You grow up with these people.

I ended up marrying somebody in the industry.

I like that aspect of it, that there is a community feel to it that it's not just people doing business with each other.

As you look into your crystal ball, are there things that are on the horizon? What are we gonna be talking about in 5 and 10 years?

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acast.com/advertiseUm, I, I did, I must confess, I had been sent the link and, uh, yes, I was aware.

But I do think that actually, um, it doesn't really, uh, reveal what we didn't already know from preliminary data.

I think the, the fact this is so newsworthy is it is, uh, the government's head immigration advisor effectively saying to the nation, "Those individuals that are coming across on boats, the nations that they are coming from are vastly over-represented in crime data, and specifically sex crime data." And you do look at the information that we have got-

But is it also sexual offenses?

So wi- without...

We do see specific trends with specific nat- nationalities.

The Albanians for instance are, are hugely overrepresented in a lot of categories, but in specific drug offenses.

It's only the weather that can.

I, I think that is exactly the point.

And a- as you guys have been reporting, there are thousands in northern France just waiting for the opportunity to make that crossing.

Look, Labour will obviously point to the fact that they are down, numbers are down on last year, but that is only because under Labour, those numbers last year were at, were at crazy levels, sort of, um, levels that were way, way out of kilter with how they had been historically.

So of course the numbers are going to come down somewhat.

I think that's inevitable.

But the point is that we are still seeing significant surges across the channel, and this is after Labour has pretty much played every single card that it does have in its arsenal, whether it is those deals with France, whether it is that gesturing with a political declaration reforming the ECHR.

60,000 deportations since we took power."