Rick Hess

No, it's, it's fair.

Look, this reminds me of, of my good friend Rick Hess's, uh, classic spinning wheels, right? This is what we know from urban districts.

I mean, we maybe can point to some others.

Houston is a very good example.

... and lobby for that.

I don't know, at least in some of the contexts, but it seems like it doesn't matter.

I, I honestly think if we If someone could figure that out, like one of our brilliant researcher friends out there, like I, I actually think this is, this is a question that needs an answer, like at, at the level of like politics and causality.

Like what actually leads to higher salaries for teachers?

Uh, and I developed this idea along with a bunch of other people, some former students like James Pauling, Corey DeAngelis, um, uh, both of whom are- were students of mine, uh, at Arkansas.

Um, uh, as well as, um, uh, Rick Hess at AEI was also involved in helping-

Mm-hmm

... develop this idea.

You know, it's remarkable.

It was only back in April that my good friend Rick Hess interviewed another good friend, Michael Horn, for his Ed Week blog.

He gave the post a very provocative title.

It said, quote, schools are urged to embrace AI and ban phones.