But I think with how the game has been going in terms of strategy and its ability to try to, like, evolve, I think it's, it's doing what it needs to do to try to be considered one of the best Survivor seasons in history.

Yeah, and I think, like, Heroes vs. Villains and Survivor 50, um, were all trying to... [laughs] Identity plays a massive factor, right? So, like, if you're going on Survivor and you're learning that you're going to be a villain, you're gonna be villainous, and if you're gonna be a hero, you're gonna have that hero, like, quality to you.

Perfect example, what's-his-face giving a fucking idol to Russell.

What the fuck is your problem? Like, are you okay, homie? Like, we wanna embody, like, how society perceives us, right? We wanna conform to-We want our identity to reflect what people see.

So, a l- like you have Ozzy who, Merman, you know, like crazy at challenges, and it, like, is obviously trying to uphold that.

Um, and it brings in in a whole nother aspect of the game.

This season or this episode you saw Aubrey, like, reflecting on her season, and, like, said, like, when Michelle won, and, like, learning and growing.

How do you see psychology, like, playing, like, just, like, its own part within Survivor?

Boo-Boo.

Uh, favorite was Night Ranger.

Least favorite was Nelson, 'cause it, it totally sucked.

[laughs]

Um, and, and just to throw this in, I really enjoyed Slaughter as the last show.

And after the show, um, one of the roadies gave me the, um, the banner that goes around the drum riser that has the Mörk emblem.

He rolled that up and, and gave it to me after the show, so.

Just try and pull this out, uh, from him.

Uh, is there a chance that, like, some of this stuff is automated? We just turn it on, and it'll go, and then, and then work on him maybe, right? [laughs]

Oh my God.

Oh.

[gentle music]

Have you ever had-

He's an Italian, mother...

He, he literally made me go against my belief.

[laughing]

[laughing]

They're gonna do, uh...

They just come, can come and say, "Ariel's pizza."