Richard S. Fuld, Jr.

You go back to the great financial crisis, and Stan O'Neal, Ace Greenberg, Jimmy Cayne, go down the list.

All the CEOs of the major, uh, broke with Dick Fuld.

None of those guys did any time.

And so what's happened since then, the, uh, the fraud has gotten bigger, um, and in cases where companies, uh, get reprimanded, the company's the one writing the checks.