But certainly the way you are describing it, it doesn't sound like that.

No, and I don't think a high performing team should be cutthroat.

And I firmly believe that we spend a disproportionate amount of our lives at work and therefore we should enjoy the time whilst we are there.

And I think for me, high performing is not just about the what, the how would very much encompass that.

And I think if I went back to my time at college, then absolutely it didn't.

feel less it didn't feel at all like anyone was being pushed to do anything they didn't want to the ethos was such that actually people wanted to help each other people wanted everyone to succeed and actually that um that collective energy pushed the whole forward so we did become more than the sum of the parts I suppose I've been lucky enough to experience that in other parts of my life outside of work.

Another role model that I would point to would be a fellow called Andrew Carden, who was one of my first coaches in sports.

So what was your first meaningful step into the professional world then, Richard?