... pop up.

So there was a whole grood of-- cr- crowd of, of, of, of seafarers, primarily fishermen actually, um, and trawlers that were, were taken up to do mine count-- to do mine sweeping and that sort of thing.

Um, so that was a big defensive element, you're right.

Um, and ongoing because, you know, you, you cleared a minefield, and then the Germans flew over the next night and dropped a few more.

Um, and of course, you only have to have the threat of a minefield to...

And then if you don't take it seriously, you're daft.

Yeah Every ship is a minesweeper once.

... where, where did you go, and was it just the two of you?

...and the security implications as well, which is enormous.

Yeah, it, it was a very interesting thing.

I r- I remember going to, um...

So we had this call on the, on the head of the Guyanese Armed Forces and the president, and, um, they were having trouble because there were some foreign fishing vessels, uh, that were, uh, operating without licenses in their waters and, and they're quite, they're quite, um, rich waters for fishing.

So there was a problem, uh, that they didn't know how to solve.

And, and so I told them about fishery protection and said, "You need boats, and this is what you do." And they said, "We can't afford any of this." I said, "The first arrest you make, the fine that they will pay in court will pay your sailors for a year." And the bloke's, the s-- you could see the scales falling off his eyes.

"Really?" I said, "Yes.

Mm-hmm.