Rich Mogull

AI is giving attackers new ways to move faster, but the question for defenders is a familiar one: if someone gets in, how far can they go? To help me tackle that, I'm especially thrilled to be joined by three amazing guests.

John Kindervag, the creator of Zero Trust and chief evangelist at Illumio; Rich Mogull, chief analyst at the Cloud Security Alliance, whose work spans cloud and AI security; and Don Yeske, who brings years of federal cybersecurity leadership to his work, helping agencies protect sensitive data.

John, Rich, and Don, welcome to the show.

Thanks, man.

Well, certainly we're seeing a lot of disruptions and questions in the world of AI, right? And so we needed to address how does Zero Trust fit into the world of AI, and there was a lot of pressure on me to write a book, but I...

Oh, a wise person once told me a long time ago that there are no great books, only great chapters.

And so instead of me trying to, you know, do a lot of research and quote the Rich Mogulls and the Don Yeskes of the world, I reached out to people that I knew who were experts in this and said, "Contribute a great chapter so that then we can combine them all and have a great book, and we can answer these questions about how do we control AI and protect our sensitive data assets, and how do we use, uh, Zero Trust methodologies and strategies to do that."

So Rich, Don, when John approached you and said, "Hey, guys, can you contribute a chapter to my book?" What were you thinking?