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Oct 8, 2026
Zero Trust for the AI Era | John Kindervag, Rich Mogull, and Don Yeske
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For our listeners, and really for me, explain what that means in layman's terms and why it's important to understand that concept.

Rich MogullGUEST
If you think about it, for an attacker using, with or without AI, they get to pick who they want to attack, they get to pick what they're looking for, they get to pick how long they're going to put an effort into that.

Rich MogullGUEST
A- and what, what came to me on that bike ride I mentioned before was the problem space.

Rich MogullGUEST
What's the problem space an attacker has to deal with versus the defender? How big, how many variables? You know, math way above my skill level, you know, recall history degree, uh, and [laughs] not a mathematics degree.
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Don YeskeGUEST
You can buy things that will help you get after zero trust, but you, the owner of your enterprise, must have a good picture of what your enterprise looks like and, you know, which things are full of which holes and which ones you are going to bother trying to save.
