Ric Charlesworth

The other one that's a bit of an anomaly, there are some, but I think they're more the minority than the majority.

Yeah, and the other one's Rick Charlesworth, who was pretty sensational.

Legend.

Cricket, played for WA, played for Australia in hockey, coached hockey to gold medal.

And when you're like that yourself, you then tend to be able to seek out other authentic people and be discerning about who's giving you the right information or where you're sourcing your information from and where you don't want to.

So I think there's a constant state of awareness, and I remember Rick Charlesworth once said to me, you know, "You need to be ever vigilant of what's going on around you, and being permanently the observer, and then processing those observations and that information, and then acting on it in the way you need to, when you need to." So I think it's the open-minded approach that we always have to maintain.

Is that the same approach, Lee, in thinking of now we are in mid-2026, we're moving athletes into national teams, so they're trying to qualify through selection trials.

And for an athlete, often it's a very individual focus, but the coaches might have a team of athletes to prepare.

"...comments." Yeah.

And so Rick Charlesworth started, myself, and Tony Lock on the first day.

But prior to that, I thought you'd have to go and have a voice test and be given some guidelines and what have you.

George Greville said... gave me a ring and just said, "Oh, um, oh, mate, George Greville says, here, um, Ian Brayshaw tells me I think you might be interested in doing some commentary.

But I have to say that that group of players, they were the main ones, absolutely the coaches and, you know, the head coach at that period.

There were two head coaches, Barry Dancer and then Rick Charlesworth.

They were both absolutely crucial at creating the environment for this kind of world-class mindset.

But if the players didn't embrace it and run with it, it wouldn't have gone anywhere.