Do you have proof that people in Wales feel differently about Brexit?

Oh, pr- proof is in, i- is in opinion polling.

Proof is anecdotal, but, but proof about what Brexit meant is very, very clear.

And I w- I was gonna say, you know, people, many, many people made a decision in May this year to vote for Plaid Cymru rather than Labour, people who had been loyal to, uh, Labour.

I think what they see in Plaid Cymru now, and, you know, I, I, I think they, they, uh, they might see positives in, in the fact that Andy Burnham is talking a lot of the language of, of Plaid Cymru now on, uh, on the, uh, EU.

It could be on social care.

It could be on, on, on, on devolution.

Um, where are you on independence for Wales now? 'Cause I noticed you didn't really mention it in your conference speech to Plaid Cymru conference.

Um, we haven't got long, so I, I, I'm, I'm fascinated by what you think about what Andy Burnham has had to say about devolution in particular, 'cause it should be, um, Plaid Cymru's Music to your ears, shouldn't it? But of course, the substance is gonna be what matters most.

Exactly.

I, I take real positives out of, um, what Andy Burnham's background is and some of the things that he's been saying, and I, I've spoken with him about this.

You know, he clearly understands why it's important to get devolution right, and he understands devolution from a Manchester perspective.

Uh, and my job, and I think he understands, uh, this, is for h-him to understand what it is that devolution means in Wales and what changes we need to devolution in Wales, uh, in order for it to work better on powers, on funding, and, and so on.

And I want to have that positive conversation.

He's made it clear to me he wants to have it too, and he's, you know, looked me in the eye and say, "I'm not gonna bypass the Senedd, the Welsh Government.

Is, is, what, what, what it-- Is Plaid's ultimate goal the same?

Dach chi'n teimlo'r pwysau i ddelivro, a gyda chi'n teimlo eich bod chi'n delivro yn ddigon cyflym?

Maen nhw'n addewidion, ydyn, sylweddol.

Hynny 'dy, mi, mi oedd ganddo ni bethau oedd yn mynd i gostio arian, oedd yn heriol o ran sut i gweithredu nhw, ond mi oedd 'na, cofiwch, lawer iawn, iawn o waith wedi mynd i mewn i wneud yn siŵr bod ganddo ni gynllun oedd ar un llaw'n uchelgeisiol iawn ac anarloesol, ond hefyd oedd yn gallu cael ei, ei gweithredu.

Ac mi ydyn ni 'di edrych arni mewn sawl ffordd.

Un peth sydd wedi cael llawer o sylw ar y cyfnod cychwynnol 'ma ydy'r cynllun can diwrnod.

Mi wnaethon ni'r penderfyniad ryw flwyddyn yn ôl, ychydig llai efallai, y byddan ni yn rhoi cynllun can diwrnod at ei gilydd.

Mi wnaethon ni adnabod bod hyn yn mynd i fod yn ddefnyddiol iawn i ni o ran paratoi am y cyfle i fod mewn Llywodraeth.

Does dim rhaid i chi ddweud, "O wel, mae hwnna'r ras yn digwydd, neu mae hwnna'r ras ar droed."

Are you humbled this morning?

Um, uh, I, I think there are lots of questions to be asked this morning, not least in the Labour benches, about how they were, uh, willing to vote against a progressive budget, uh, uh, with money for health and childcare and free school meals and, uh, and their spending plans for this year, and a hundred and twenty million pounds for, for additional learning needs.

And I think the spectacle of Reform Senedd members banging their desks, applauding Labour for voting against that progressive budget is one that will stick in the throat for a long time for, uh, Labour supporters.

But I'll tell you this, uh, I, I think it's, it's an important exercise in explaining what I have been talking about since becoming First Minister, the importance of cooperation and cooperating in good faith.

We have to find ways, as we always have done through the history of devolution, to bring together ideas from the progressive side of, of politics, from my point of view, that can make a difference to the lives of the people of Wales.

And in all those years, Plaid Cymru has had numerous battles, uh, and has been able to influence government, but have always sought to do it in a responsible way, which recognizes the need for that cooperative way of working.

Now, in moving forward from here now, um, i-in putting together another supplementary budget for later this year, and of course, working very hard to get support for a actual budget, 'cause these are usually dealt with as technical issues.

... 40 million into ALN this year as well.

As we've talked before on Political Thinking, you know, you grew up with this belief in more power for Wales.

And it's not just that I have always believed that, but there are hundreds of thousands of people who believe in Wales, and wanted Wales to spread its wings, and who felt constrained by being led by political parties that ultimately have their bosses in London and could never really say, "No, w-we're focused on you.

We represent you." And when Plaid Cymru did get that victory, which was a clearer victory than most of us could have imagined even, there was a sense of relief, of feeling we were right.

We were right that we could unite Wales behind this kind of vision, which we did.

Every part of Wales, half of all our capitals, Senedd members are Plaid Cymru Senedd members.

The same for Swansea, the southeast, the northeast.

This is Wales United.

Well, isn't the evidence of the polling and the r- elections, that isn't what they think.

What would need to happen, do you think, to mitigate these risks and to make sure that Holyhead is a functioning gateway coping with the kind of traffic, uh, that you'd obviously hope expanded traffic in years to come?

Yeah.

Well, the, the first thing I, I say is that I, uh, appreciate perhaps more than most the importance of the link, because I wear two hats.

Uh, I am the First Minister of Wales.

I also happen to represent the, uh, the Port of Holyhead, uh, Holyhead as a constituency member, so I fully understand, uh, the importance of that port, that, uh, connection between, uh, Wales and Ireland as part, of course, of the connection between the UK and Ireland, and the EU, uh, and Ireland.

And the fragility of the port that, um, came to light in, in recent storms is something that, that deeply worries me.

I, uh, do believe, though, as I take, uh, charge of Welsh Government, that we have, through the work of the Irish Sea Task, Task Force, uh, a, a firm foundation now on which we can build that resilience that i- that is needed.

Do you think he gets Welsh concerns, given the historic ties between Wales, uh, and the city o- of Liverpool and, and, and further afield? A- and what will you be looking for from him if he does become prime minister?

How do you do that then?

So that's, that's the language I have been, been speaking, when I talk about sort of ambition for Wales.

It's ambition to create a m- fairness, you know? The, the ambition to create a, a more level playing field for, for people.

You know, the ambition to deal with the scourge of poverty, the national shame that is, you know, a third of, uh, of all children living in poverty.

But it's also ambition for how prosperous, how wealthy we can become.

And, and the, the job that I've given Adam Price as my cabinet minister for enterprise, for connectivity and for energy, is to, is to drive that forward.

You know, the whole idea of our new, um, Welsh Innovation and Development Agency is about creating a new momentum behind economic growth, economic prosperity.

And is it, is it just demand that drives this rather than government then?

Can we, can we just all agree right from the start that you've all got candidates who've said injudicious things, some more than others, but it happens in all parties?

Yeah.

So first thing is to say our thoughts are with not just the Jewish community in Golders Green, but, but of course here in, i- in Wales.

And we, and we, we have to recognize the real fear, uh, that, that, that people, um, sense now going f-About their day-to-day lives.

I was speaking with, uh, with um, one member of the Jewish community today who was, uh, here in Cardiff talking about her, her, her fear.

There are two answers to the question.

The question is, how can we keep Wales safe? There's a policy answer, um, through policing and making sure that security, uh, has enough investment to look after communities that feel threatened, be, be they Jewish or Muslim or other, uh, religious, uh, groups or other mi- minorities.

Um, Rhun, why is that, and what can you do about it if you get into power?

But controlling our lives again, what are you nostalgic for? What are you looking back for?

I- I- I don't think it is a, a nostalgia, but it, but it's- it's clear to- to say in- in Scotland it's a bit easier to be a nation again when you go back a couple of centuries ago when that decision was made to, uh, to join, uh, the two countries, the Kingdom of England and, uh, and Scotland.

Of course, that Kingdom of England was England and- and Wales.

And there's still, even though centuries have passed, a sense that, you know, that nation of ours has, uh, been unable to express itself because of, uh, that assuming of Wales into England those centuries ago.

Now, that might be in history, but we still live with, uh, elements of- of- of how that affects our lives, uh, today, our, uh, our inability to be able to control our natural resources, to run our own policing in Wales, to run, to have the levers to run our own economy.

Now you can call it shame, you can call it holding us back, you can call it stopping us from reaching our potential, but I- I tend to think forward, uh, and- and think about, right, how do we l- release that- that potential? It's about growing in confidence, it's about having a plan and being really proud of- of who we are, where we've come from, but mostly where we can go.

She says Reform blame foreigners, Plaid blame Westminster, different poison, same bottle.

And it's really interesting how so many people within the Labour movement were very angry, uh, at the First Minister for using that kind of language in portraying progressives, people who are meant to have shared values with them, in that kind of way.