incredible journey and sometimes those journeys uh when you think back the richness of the experiences along the way add to what you're doing now absolutely thinking specifically about you know you mentioned loretto there and then you have worked in some other independent schools what are some formative experiences or lessons from those roles in schools

yeah i think um It's funny because the experience at Laredo Norman Hurst, I've been working for Catholic organizations for, let's just say, you know, eight years of my career.

So probably the majority of my career I've been in either independent or system Catholic schools.

And I think the appreciation of faith education was a slow burn for me.

I think at the time I didn't appreciate it.

And so I would say that the formative experience at Loretto is something that has actually emerged over time.

So it's not something that kind of hit me over the head at the time.

And then, you know, just kind of to add to that, when you find those challenges in schools, what are some of the ways that schools can overcome them?

So what would you do? You're a science teacher, you have science text, etc.? ?

Yeah, so for English, I think we're kind of often hitting below grade level text.

So we're not actually giving students the level of challenge they need to meet the demands of the curriculum.

So I think for English teachers, making sure that our texts are challenging enough, that they're at, you know, a challenge level rather than the level that students can actually read.

That's a kind of new idea.

So a lot of the talk around reading in Australia is new.

The good news is that writing is really taking off in New South Wales, where I live in particular.

Ensure that you've nailed it and you've got teachers in that embedding phase before you then start piling on more.