RealPlayer

And, you know, if somebody called your house, you drop sort of thing.

So we had to tell everybody, "Don't call us in the evening." And then Frankie would take a ghetto blaster, tune it to CJ1280, and then took a, ran a, a line into the headphone jack and then ran that into the back of the computer, launched the RealPlayer, turned the radio on, we were streaming.

So w- we were-- Now, you couldn't move.

Like, if you listened to us, you had to stare at your computer while the little RealPlayer was playing.

That's how.

But we were the, we were the first ones to do that.

[laughs]

And I'm like, "Ah, yeah, that's a fireable offense," right?

conversation, productive relationship.

Yeah, it sort of reminded me of the old days when you had RealPlayer and Microsoft Windows.

If you had them both, your computer would just explode because they would disable one another.

Right.

If a friend sent you a clip, you needed to know which player to open it in.

RealPlayer, QuickTime, Windows Media Player.

Each one wanted a different codec.

Each one seemed engineered to crash your computer at the worst possible moment.

Um, and then two, Bin Laden had released a two-and-a-half-hour videotape, which was really a distillation of his religious and political kind of philosophy and why he wanted to attack the United States, and this is very, uh, the video was almost nonexistent on the internet at the time.

You, you had to go into these jihadist chat rooms with a password, and it was on, on RealPlayer.

Anyway, I, I, I had it all translated.

I sent it all to John, and I said, "The videotape," because they'd, this, they had a belief of a duty to warn.