Reality Winner

At the same time, you weren't just sitting on your hands.

There were other cases that were coming up, not just mine, but people like Jeffrey Sterling, Chelsea Manning, later on Reality Winner, and there were others.

Tell us about that.

And w- was it you that reached out to whistleblowers? Did whistleblowers come to you?

And I saw them, I saw this pattern emerging with Tom Drake's case, but then- With Stephen Kim and Jeffrey Sterling and you.

And then after that, it continued.

I thought it was an anomaly, but then it became more normalized and the US started creating precedent, and then they used it on Snowden significantly in 2013, and then Reality Winner.

And I said all along, "This is a backdoor war on journalists." And people said, "No, it's just whistleblowers and they don't matter." And then in 2018, they indicted Julian Assange, who is a publisher, and was indicted for journalistic, ordinary journalistic activity.

And she also played Reality, the one that worked for the MSA that was helping the, uh, Democrats for the Russia collusion and stuff.

Yeah, Reality Winner.

And she didn't look like those-

I mean-

It was founded by Greenwald, Poitras, Jeremy Scahill, and its initial mission heavily centered on the Snowden documents and government surveillance.

Then came a woman named Reality Winner in 2017.

She anonymously mailed The Intercept a classified NSA document.

Before publication, The Intercept supplied the NSA with a copy while seeking authentication.

I've noticed a lot of very interesting things that have to do with Germany and podcasts and money and all that stuff.

So anyways, so back to the subject at hand.

So yeah, so- Poor Reality Winner stumbled into that trap because she thought...

So when somebody says, "Contact a whistleblower organization, and you might become the government's next target," Reality Winner provides an understandable reason for that fear.

... uh, called Christy, and she also played Reality, the one that worked for the MSA that was helping the, uh, Democrats for the Russia collusion and stuff.

Yeah, Reality Winner.

And she didn't look like those-

I mean-

I mean, I talk to people like Lev Parnas.

I talked to Reality Winner's family.

There's a lot of people who have been used as, obviously, political pawns in his game.

Hello.

She has

She played Reality Winner.

As you said, she played a boxer

Mm