Raymond Buckland

And so, yeah.

So I know we've had, um, Ray Buckland.

I got to meet him at PSG.

And, and yeah, we've lost, um, a lot of, um, a lot of pagan elders who were, you know, so instrumental for all of us in the beginning.

But it was, I find it distasteful.

Now I knew the late Raymond Buckland and we talked about women within the craft communities.

And he said to me, he goes, when I started, Now, so I knew him in his Lillydale years.

That means the old, his, his older years.

And these are people who are really, really, these were people who are stalwarts.

And, you know, I mean, you guys know that I knew Raymond Buckland and I got a chance to talk and hang out a little bit with Lorraine Warren.

And these people really made impressions upon me.

Well, this is somebody we celebrate the life.