How did your time, uh, working in retail and call centers there before becoming a therapist shape your understanding of the special work ethic that I believe the people in Appalachia see in themselves?

Well, a couple things.

It definitely brought attention to what I, is, it's the classism that's built into a lot of things.

Like it's a, the hierarchy, the way the, you get to be more human essentially the, there's more forgiveness for human error the higher up you seem to go.

And how much, so much of what I was growing up in s- was the idea that like you work hard, it pays off.

You work hard, you get rewarded.

And in reality it's you work hard, you get punished in a lot of ways or it's not, it's not enough.

But I'm curious though, and like, you know, what was triggering? Like, what were you going through when the project was done and what happened?