Ray Cramer

Uh, it w- with this wind ensemble conference, uh, m- met around the country, and it was a group of younger directors, uh, who were interested in taking the wind band medium far beyond where it had ever been.

The people that were involved w- were Fred Fennell, John Paynter, um, um, Ray Cramer, uh, Bob Reynolds.

Uh, it was that group of people that were meeting, and so I'm, I'm, I'm gonna go to that.

This sounds like really something that would be fun to do.

I don't know if he had Nick.

I know Ray Kramer.

Does he still do the music for the United Center?

No, no. He's been gone for a long time.