Rav Kahana II
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Sep 25, 2026
speaker_2HOST
Good.
speaker_2HOST
Madhiva Rav Kahana.
speaker_2HOST
Rav Kahana means another proof.
speaker_2HOST
Ah.
speaker_2HOST
Let's say you guard four or five squash fields.
TJ TingsonGUEST
It's a collection of Jewish literature compiled maybe right after the time of Jesus about different Jewish teachings and stories from rabbis from the Old Testament all the way to the New Testament.
TJ TingsonGUEST
There's a student named Rav Kahana.
TJ TingsonGUEST
And Rav really wanted to learn how to live out the Torah, the first five books of the Bible, also called the Pentateuch.
TJ TingsonGUEST
He wanted so much so that one day he followed his teacher and hid underneath his bed.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
That's great.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
You know, Rabbi Yochanan does that to Rav Kahana.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
I'm not a fan of Rav Kahana, so I'm sad that he brought it back, but he felt bad about it, brought it back.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
There's also the sort of idea that they can create not only golems, Rava creates a golem, And Rabbi Zerah has to be, you know, put it, put it down and be like, no, you're made of dust.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
Go away.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
And then looking at these characters who do magic, who are men and get away with it for a variety of reasons, is kind of hard to wrestle with.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
But it is also kind of funny.
Miriam AnzovinGUEST
So one of my personal nemesis, other than Rav Kahana, is Rabbi Eliezer the Prophetess.
Nechemia DeitschHOST
But even if you have a two with a one separately, it's still kosher.
Nechemia DeitschHOST
Rav Acha said, well, my Rebbe was Rav Kahana.
Nechemia DeitschHOST
And if Rav Kahana, it came out of his mouth that this is permissible, I want to do like my Rebbe.
Nechemia DeitschHOST
In other words, this is a novelty of his Rebbe.
Nechemia DeitschHOST
The fact is that his Rebbe said that it's kosher as a secondary level of kosher.
Freidy YanoverHOST
But we see that the conduct of most people, also those who are not yet on the level to experience the surrounding light of the Sukkah, that they nevertheless don't make a practice of being meticulous about sleeping in the Sukkah, though they're very meticulous about eating and drinking in the Sukkah, even when there's a possible reason that they don't need to, like a pouring rain.
Freidy YanoverHOST
And a simple explanation for this is that Chassidim are bound to Arabayim, learning their Torah so that we can put their ways into practice and follow their path, and thereby preserving the customs of Arabayim, similar to what the Talmud teaches about Ravacha, who specifically sought a myrtle branch with leaves that were a two-in-one arrangement, two leaves emerging from one point, one leaf below, rising up and overlapping the other two in accordance with the opinion of Rav Kahana.
Freidy YanoverHOST
The Rav Kahana himself said that even two and one is acceptable, three leaves emerging from one thorn or one branch is preferable.
Freidy YanoverHOST
And since it was heard from Rav Kahana, his students regarded the arrangement of two leaves emerging from one point and one leaf below as a way of enhancing the mitzvah and a way of conducting themselves in accordance with the words of their Rebbe.
Freidy YanoverHOST
In our discussion there's more to consider.
Freidy YanoverHOST
A chassidim can't conduct themselves to the fullest extent possible, like their Rebbe, and conform to his example, this causes them distress.
JoshHOST
I can understand why that's not a case.
JoshHOST
What's the problem when the mother, the adult laying on the eggs, is a kosher species, and the eggs are from a treif species, meaning the bird just found another nest from another species? What's the problem with that, right? So the Gemara answers, Rav Kahana, we'll see where he says this, he points out that the point of taking the eggs or the chicks underneath the mother is is to take it for your own benefit, not to feed it to your dogs.
JoshHOST
And here, if the birds are from, if the chicks or eggs are from a trade species, then you're not eating it for yourself.
JoshHOST
You're eating it for your dog.
JoshHOST
The Pasuk never intended that.
JoshHOST
And therefore, that's why it's not okay.
JoshHOST
So now, where do we see Rav Kahana? So we saw Rav Kahana's initial statement that this idea of taking the eggs is for your own use, not for you to feed your dogs, i.e.
JoshHOST
for your consumption, not for your benefit.
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
No matter what, you have to send her away.
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
Now, they say, Rabbi Abba berei deRab Yosef bar Rabah asked Rav Kahana.
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
And he says...
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
Okay, so this is the grandson of Rabah, asks Rav Kahana the following question.
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
Okay.
Michelle Cohen FarberHOST
Something doesn't make sense with your drashah.
Shmuel SilberHOST
So again, I'm going to say, So just to point out to her something very interesting.
Shmuel SilberHOST
So we have on one hand Rav Kahana, and Rav Kahana seems to indicate that Haloch HaLamayis of the Mitzv Shiloach is fundamentally dependent on the kashrus status of the chicks or the eggs.
Shmuel SilberHOST
We don't care about the kashrus status of the mother, we care about the chicks or the eggs.
Shmuel SilberHOST
That stands in contradistinction to the Mishnah, because the Mishnah seems to indicate that ultimately, again, Haloch HaLamayis does depend on the kashrus of the mother as well.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
The bird itself, the mama bird is kosher.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
Like Rav Kahana says in the Pesach.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
It says, You should take the eggs for yourself or the offspring for yourself.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
But if you can't eat them because it's not kosher, not for your dogs.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
So that's what Rav Kahana said.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
So since you wouldn't be able to eat it, it's no good.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
What did you mean? I'm sorry? You could sell it.
Shmuel HerzfeldHOST
You could do whatever you want with it.
Fishel OsterHOST
The reason for this is because Chassidim are Mekusher, very deeply connected to the Rabbein.
Fishel OsterHOST
Similar to what the Gemara says, that Rav Acha would take a Hadas that had the leaves growing, two on one row, and then one below that, even though the bigger hinder is to have all three coming out on the same row, because his teacher, Rav Kahana, is the one that said, that two and one growing from the stem is okay.
Fishel OsterHOST
So he wanted to be Mahader, to do like what his teacher said.
Fishel OsterHOST
And therefore we hear Chassidim HaMahadeh to do like what came out from the mouth of the Rabbim.
Fishel OsterHOST
In our case, there's an additional point.
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