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came good second place.

Well, this is another contest.

We won the Notre Dame Jazz Festival at Indiana University, our Indiana University band, in 1965, and Clark Turrey gave me a trumpet award.

He was one of the judges, along with, I think, Oliver Nelson, And I don't remember the other guys.

I was just focused on Clark.

But as a result of us winning the Notre Dame Jazz Festival, we were offered a State Department tour of the Middle East and Asia.

So we rehearsed over there, different people's