This week, we're going to have part two of that conversation, and I asked Pastor Ramazan if he, as the pastor of the church, if he has to step in and become a father figure to to believers in the church who may have been rejected or cut off from their earthly fathers.

Not just me, and I can't do that by myself.

But, you know, let me tell you this, why the church is very important in our context.

These people in our country, before they became a Christian even, you know, they grew up in a very relational culture.

Relationship was most important things in our culture, you know.

And they grew up with this relational culture.

But after they became a Christian, they cannot be part of that society anymore or family anymore because family doesn't accept them.

What I sense that you're saying is most of the persecution that people endure comes from the community or the family more so than the government.

This week, we're going to have part two of that conversation, and I asked Pastor Ramazan if he, as the pastor of the church, if he has to step in and become a father figure to to believers in the church who may have been rejected or cut off from their earthly fathers?

Not just me, and I can't do that by myself.

But, you know, let me tell you this, why the church is very important in our context.

These people in our country, before they became a Christian even, you know, they grew up in a very relational culture.

Relationship was most important things in our culture, you know.

And they grew up with this relational culture.

But after they became a Christian, they cannot be part of that society anymore or family anymore because family doesn't accept them.

What I sense that you're saying is most of the persecution that people endure comes from the community or the family more so than the government.

And then the other part of the question is, what was it that finally convinced you, Jesus is real, I'm going to follow him?

I grew up in a Muslim family.

I learned about Islam usually from my family and from my society.

And I was also a member of one of the conservative Islamic group, you know, and I learned Islam from them.

I did not read the Quran back in those days.

I didn't do research about Islam.

I was believing the Islam because what people taught me.

And then my second question is when you went to the church, did you expect it to be full of foreigners? Like you assumed these were a bunch of Westerners?

And then the other part of the question is, what was it that finally convinced you, Jesus is real, I'm going to follow him?

I grew up in a Muslim family.

I learned about Islam usually from my family and from my society.

And I was also a member of one of the conservative Islamic group, you know, and I learned Islam from them.

I did not read the Quran back in those days.

I didn't do research about Islam.

I was believing the Islam because what people taught me.

And then my second question is, when you went to the church, did you expect it to be full of foreigners? Like you assumed these were a bunch of Westerners?