Ram Charan

Okay.

So I think one of the challenges with soft skills now is, and I'm gonna go into a reference here, but there's a book by Ram Charan and other co-authors titled "The Leadership Pipeline." And in that book, they identify several steps in different leadership.

And not everybody will go up every step, but there are certain things you have to do to move up the ladder, so to speak.

Mm-hmm.

They bring up this exact execution paradox.

There is a quote in there from Ram Charan and Larry Bossidy that I think just strips away all the vanity of leadership.

They state, leadership without execution is incomplete and ineffective.

It is a brutal truth.

I recently had Steven Drotter.

You might be familiar with the book, The Leadership Pipeline, Ram Charan.

Has that come across your radar?

Yeah, Ram was my professor in business school, and he actually wrote the foreword to my first book.