Ralph Winter

Those were completely separate operations.

The movies were under the auspices of Harv Bennett and sometimes Nicholas Meyer and Ralph Winter.

No, that's not what I mean.

But I think I mean, we're lumping

And what a great group of people.

We were supposed to have Ralph Winter there also, and unfortunately it was so hot, it was so hot.

How hot was it?

How hot was it?

The, the, the background that has to be a little bit understood here, um, is that the feature division of Paramount in the run-up to Star Trek VI had been losing money hand over fist.

They'd been making movies at $40 million a pop and they had been going down the drain.

And so when I showed up from London and rented a house for six months in, in LA, uh, i- with my family in order to do the movie, um, we walked in, it was Steve, it was Leonard, it was me, it was Ralph Winter, into the office of G- Frank Mancuso ... uh, uh, David Kirkpatrick.

It was David Kirkpatrick and Gary Lucchesi, and Frank wasn't there.

It's funny because that's funny.

I didn't know Rocky was one of your favorite movies because I remember one of my mentors, Ralph Winter, who produced the X-Men movies.

I was having a hard time finding a director early on.

And he said, well, what's your favorite movie? I said, Rocky.