Ralph Chami

He was arguing is that as long as we treat nature as a free asset and not productive capital, we're not actually gonna be able to manage this.

And Ralph Chami just came out with a paper talking about the value of nature and the fact that we only really value nature if we kill it.

I-- well, don't forget also it's really important to point out that that's a very global north perspective because we are ignoring it because we don't think it's going to happen to us.

Yeah.