Rachel Perkins

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Barnell, meet Rachel Perkins, your new executive producer.

You are a true icon.

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I mean, if you look at the history wars around Keith Windshuttle and Henry Reynolds and the kind of debates around frontier conflict in the early 2000s, one of the things that happened out of that debate is Professor Lyndall Ryan, after being a target of Keith Windshuttle in those history wars herself, went away and kind of did a new project around investigating massacres of Indigenous people in Australia's history and produced the massacre map.

And then we get from that a kind of building on that through other kinds of works that treat frontier conflict as a form of warfare for country and We then see the production of films like Rachel Perkins' Australian Wars.

And now we see that that understanding of that history has changed in that 25 years, you know, that Tony Abbott's recent history of Australia, you know, has to deal with the impact of frontier conflict.

So even though it's messy, it is in some ways a way of showing the way that debate moves the field along.