Rachel Aviv

You were speaking about the kind of reservoir, and the reservoir, um, both being diluted and, uh, shrinking.

You know, when I first read you on Murnane, when I first read Rachel Aviv on Linda Bishop, I mean, the...

I can think of many, of dozens if not hundreds of moments of kind of encounter as a reader where you read something and you think, "Aha, this person gets something.

This person has something to say." There will be people...

It makes sense.

I mean, we should say we're talking about Rachel Aviv's New Yorker 13,000 word essay on the case.

And we're talking about that because it was really controversial because it was published before the retrial of baby K.

And at the time when there was a load of reporting restrictions in place.

So I know that Kim, you and I had a phone conversation where you were like, well, I've just seen this really interesting interview with Rachel Aviv and

In The Observer.

In The Observer.

And I think it's publicising a book that she has coming out.

I found The New Yorker famous.

There's a famous piece by Rachel Aviv.

It's extraordinary journalism.

Uh, it was not shown in this country after about the first day.

Welcome to New Books and Psychoanalysis.

My name is Liza Veal, and today I'm speaking with Rachel Aviv.

Rachel is a staff writer at The New Yorker, where she writes about psychology, medical ethics, and criminal justice, among other subjects.

Her last book, Strangers to Ourselves, Unsettled Minds and the Stories that Make Us, was a finalist for the National Book Critics Circle Award and a New York Times bestseller.

And, and yeah, it was just something that felt so important to the book.

It really reminds me of Strangers to Ourselves, the Rachel Aviv book where she talks like the premise of the book is like, she gets institutional.

Why not her? Like, what is the difference when you're looking at someone? There's no, the sort of grappling with the idea that like you don't have control over your destiny, that this could have just as well have been you.

There's also this other complication in this moment.