How can we be Atmanirbhar in defense, truly be Atmanirbhar? Can we get freedom from foreign arms sales that, that sometimes stop our forward movement?

Yeah, I think that is the key, uh, uh, towards Atmanirbharta.

The key is to get technological sovereignty and manufacture your own designed systems.

So we have traveled a long way if you, uh, look at, uh, from, uh, where we started this real drive to-towards Atmanirbharta.

Uh, initially it was, uh, localizing manufacturing here.

That means it was largely TOT-based and, and, uh, the foreign players and the foreign OEMs did continue to play a major part in terms of controlling, in terms of, uh, where the real, uh, money was flowing.

Uh, a-and we did not have the true sovereignty in terms of technology as such.

If they were to give the older generation fifth generation fighters to Pakistan, are we at the same disadvantage like Pakistan had F-16s and we had nothing, so we had to go for two squadrons of Mirages and two squadrons of MiG-29s? Are we back to that stage? And this time can we say we can fight them should they try any, uh, hanky-panky with our long-