Qonto

But by the time I was in London and I was in the middle of the fintech ecosystem, some, like, like you were living there at the time, I believe as well, and active in that fintech ecosystem, I saw the around 2011, 2015, '16, how the African VC ecosystem started picking up, and that enticed me to start in- investing some angel investment both in, uh, Europe and Africa.

In Europe, I backed, um, very early, one of the most, one of the largest fintechs in Europe, which is Qonto, the largest, uh, uh, French fintech, in fact.

Um, and then in Africa, I backed companies like Thonder in Egypt, who are doing really well.

Um, and, and, and with small tickets of personal money.

And we were...

When I say friends and family, this is really our seed investors.

We raised the first money from people like Steve Anavi, founder of Qonto, who believed in us.

Tim Schumacher in Germany, who's a serial entrepreneur and today fund manager, and he was like, "Oh, look at these people.